Re: Poching cant coach : Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:00 pm  

I think he may be somewhat out of his depth with this team. ( I use the term “team” very lightly). They have limited ability, so to a great extent it’s about getting the best out of them. This relies heavily on hard work and commitment. It would appear to me that this coach can’t get this from them, particularly in crucial games.

Re: Poching cant coach : Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:01 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I couldn't agree with you less. None of that is to do with Poaching. Squarely at the players.

Almost certain the coach decides on when to make subs so plenty to do with Poaching

He is not and has never been a head coach, nothing at all has changed from the collapse of the 2nd half of the salford game when we almost threw a convincing lead away and wigan cup game, the squad do not fear him or any reprocussions he will select individuals to blame (e.g. a spell with no Tanginoa, a spell with no Batchelor who also never returned back on to the field after half time after again being probably the best defender in the first half) and Jowitt. If batch was was injured then nothing was mentioned on sky.

The fault today was 20minutes of 12 men but he changed nothing aside bringing on Butler and we know how that worked, even the wins are predictable (given hull fc and wire couldnt even score a try in 80mins) its bland, its boring and its predictable and the squad is down to the coach and he is not a coach

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Re: Poching cant coach : Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:04 pm  

Wildcat_1 wrote:

Almost certain the coach decides on when to make subs so plenty to do with Poaching

He is not and has never been a head coach, nothing at all has changed from the collapse of the 2nd half of the salford game when we almost threw a convincing lead away and wigan cup game, the squad do not fear him or any reprocussions he will select individuals to blame (e.g. a spell with no Tanginoa, a spell with no Batchelor who also never returned back on to the field after half time after again being probably the best defender in the first half) and Jowitt. If batch was was injured then nothing was mentioned on sky.

The fault today was 20minutes of 12 men but he changed nothing aside bringing on Butler and we know how that worked, even the wins are predictable (given hull fc and wire couldnt even score a try in 80mins) its bland, its boring and its predictable and the squad is down to the coach and he is not a coach

What would you have changed apart from bringing Butler on?

Re: Poching cant coach : Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:07 pm  

Did anyone see his after match interview i didnt just waundering what he said

Re: Poching cant coach : Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:10 pm  

Maybe Poching can’t coach but you can’t get away from the fact a few shocking individual plays cost us here. But yeah some spine on show in the first 20 of 2nd half could’ve kept us in the game.

I was fuming following the Cas & Salford debacle but I just feel numb after that & probably gonna take a while to digest that viewing!

Re: Poching cant coach : Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:10 pm  

PopTart wrote:

What would you have changed apart from bringing Butler on?

Removed the culprits of the 6 agains (Pitts from memory at least 2 and unbelievely Ashurst who is a master of conceding 6 agains) and bring on Batchelor it needed something to stem the flow and the coaches job is to see the areas of concern and act accordingly, he never once looked worried (i wont say didnt look bothered) when the cameras cut to him, zero animation to get messages out. Our best defenders are arguebly Hood and Whitbread (who was immense) nowhere to be seen

Our disclipline is appalling and has been all season but conceding 158 points in 3 games is self explanitory change of attitude is needed and some one with (new) ideas

Re: Poching cant coach : Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:14 pm  

Not sure if changing Poching would have any impact on this set of players.
However I do feel if you keep doing the same things over and over, you will get the same result.So maybe a change of coach or at the very least , some more experienced help is required in an attempt to at least try and avoid the drop.
Doing nothing would be my least favoured option.

Re: Poching cant coach : Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:17 pm  

Okay so I’m sorry but Poching takes a lot of rap for this result. and the last few. His decisions in selection at times are absolutely mind boggling.

1. Why is Batch not at centre???? He played twice and got Motm In two that we won.. we put Minns/Croft there and we leak try’s for fun. Again Croft was poor in defence today.

Poching has made an absolute mess tinkering with right centre. He took something that worked and broke it.

2. Why on earth has Crowther gravitated back to a 9??? We literally converted Kay because it was clear Crowther wasn’t a 9. I really rate Crowther as a 13 btw. We have Bowes who is a young exciting 9 who tackles very strong too and Poching is playing Crowther there as a stand in. Poor from Poching.

Poching I’m sure cares but he needs to take responsibility for this and sort it out. Players like Crowther, Batch, Murphy, Bowes will bust their backs out for trinity and we need them on that pitch.

Evans seems to be a decent player but if Kershaw pulls through this reserves game tomorrow he should be brought straight back into the fold.

Re: Poching cant coach : Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:35 pm  

I’ve never once believed we would go down since we got promoted

At the beginning of this season my thoughts based on the signings we made and with the deterioration of the impact our senior players the likes of ashurst and arona would have (who have previously being real stalwarts for the red white n blue) is that we would go down this season

I think the saddest thing is, that even if we do stay up
It’s another year of hoping not to get relegated at best, unless there are so really good players brought in to bolster the ranks

It’s really sad for us as fans to see a loss like that again

I’ll go watch us if we’re in the championship no probs, it might actually be more enjoyable

Re: Poching cant coach : Sat Jul 09, 2022 5:01 pm  

The thing is if we did remove Poching from his role we'd just promote Cummins anyway, so its pointless.