Re: Shame : Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:04 am  

What you’ve got to recognise is that the majority of the young lads that have made the Super League squad over the last few years weren’t identified and signed by Mark Applegarth but by his predecessor Richard Kelly.
Batchelor
Aydin
Hall
Bowes
Butterworth
Kershaw
Croft
Shaw
Windrow
Abraham
Schoffield
and I’m sure I’ve missed some, we’re all signed by Kelly.
Now maybe I’m wrong but Applegarth wouldn’t be the first coach who judged another coaches players more harshly than other players.

That doesn’t explain the absence of Eseh but Bowes has certainly been hard done by IMO and why hasn’t Windrow been given a chance. Then there’s the almost eager acceptance to let such as Aydin, Hall, Croft, shaw and Batchelor leave when they’re better than what’s been retained and recruited as replacements.

Re: Shame : Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:18 am  

PopTart wrote:

Why are we still drawing conclusions from something that isn't true.
Bowes played in the same game as Forber.

It was pretty clear that in pre season some of our talented youngsters are not quite ready for playing SL.
No point getting them battered and then opened up to the criticism they'll get on social media like Butterworth.

It was pretty clear in pre season games that 85% of the first team was not up to S L so why get rid of the younger better players

Re: Shame : Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:24 am  

The Avenger wrote:

What you’ve got to recognise is that the majority of the young lads that have made the Super League squad over the last few years weren’t identified and signed by Mark Applegarth but by his predecessor Richard Kelly.
Batchelor
Aydin
Hall
Bowes
Butterworth
Kershaw
Croft
Shaw
Windrow
Abraham
Schoffield
and I’m sure I’ve missed some, we’re all signed by Kelly.
Now maybe I’m wrong but Applegarth wouldn’t be the first coach who judged another coaches players more harshly than other players.

That doesn’t explain the absence of Eseh but Bowes has certainly been hard done by IMO and why hasn’t Windrow been given a chance. Then there’s the almost eager acceptance to let such as Aydin, Hall, Croft, shaw and Batchelor leave when they’re better than what’s been retained and recruited as replacements.

Not to mention thet they were "our" players so, no additional loan fees to pay.

The whole idea of 2 week loans seems utterly crazy. All we are doing is helping other teams' get their players match fit and sending a message to our own youngsters that they are not good enough.

I have to say that, personally, I'm on the brink.
Close to 40 years watching Trin and supporting them home and away, plut the lottery etc but we have swapped crumbling stands for a crumbling side.
We're in our 150th year but, we're keeping it a secret.
Saints have the same anniversary included on their shirts this season.

As a super leagues side, we have simply given up and there seems little thought to the future (or the present ) as a team.

Re: Shame : Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:32 am  

To quote the title of this thread “ shame” the biggest shame is how , at the moment , we are going out of super league in a whimper !! 150 years will mean nothing .. we will be remembered for the disaster of this year ! I can’t remember the last time I didn’t consider going to a match .. in 60 yrs … but cannot justify the expense of a trip line Wigan to get nothing in return . The 60 .0 drubbing was bad enough . . In past years we’ve had blow out scores but … we have competed in most games . Unfortunately we are way off this year .. I just feel v sad and live in hope something is done to turn it around while it’s still possible to save the season !!

Re: Shame : Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:23 pm  

PopTart wrote:

Also, when Forber came in it was because we had injuries. That was the point of the loans at the time. That's why Mason has gone back as well as Bowden is back.

And when Forber played, he played 2 games. Mash said we were down to our last 17........and he and Bowes both played against Sts.
So I think Bowes is probably OK with it.

You think Bowes was ok with being left out in that first game for a young lad brought in from Wigan when he’d played in probably our best performance of the season against Salford the week before? Give over. And for me i’d have rather but Butterworth on the bench for the Saints game rather than someone else's kid. Maybe show a bit of belief in him and boost his confidence after his debut.

And there was no point whatsoever in the Mason loan. He left Eseh, Battye & Butler out against Cas, we weren’t short of props. It was a signing for signings sake and like Forber completely unnecessary