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Re: Isaac Shaw re-signs : Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:45 pm  

imwakefieldtillidie wrote:

I felt at the time he'd made a mistake leaving. He might be earning more, but he was never going to get the game time there that he'd have with us last year. A full season with us, playing regularly and he'd have still been free to go wherever he wanted at the end of the season. It worked for Eseh.

One injury would have put him in challenge cup final last year. You can see why he'd want to give it a go.
He broke a thumb so that probably slowed his progress.

Re: Isaac Shaw re-signs : Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:54 pm  

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One injury would have put him in challenge cup final last year. You can see why he'd want to give it a go.
He broke a thumb so that probably slowed his progress.

That's the point, he was relying on other people's misfortune. He'd not only have been a regular with us, but one of the better props if he carried on progressing the way he was at the end of 2022. He still wouldn't have played in a Challenge Cup Final but his stock may have risen even more. Might not have felt much fun in the short term, but long term he could have been earning more as well as being a regular at a club challenging for trophies. I felt it before he left and feel the same now. I hope he kicks on at HKR because I feel he has the potential to be a very good player.

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Re: Isaac Shaw re-signs : Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:09 pm  

imwakefieldtillidie wrote:

That's the point, he was relying on other people's misfortune. He'd not only have been a regular with us, but one of the better props if he carried on progressing the way he was at the end of 2022. He still wouldn't have played in a Challenge Cup Final but his stock may have risen even more. Might not have felt much fun in the short term, but long term he could have been earning more as well as being a regular at a club challenging for trophies. I felt it before he left and feel the same now. I hope he kicks on at HKR because I feel he has the potential to be a very good player.

He isn't replying on an injury. He's trying to be good enough to be in the top 4 props.
Wouldn't matter how good he played for us, he wasn't getting to Wembley.

He wasn't to know some guy was going to come in with money. He wasn't even guaranteed a place in our team at the time.

Re: Isaac Shaw re-signs : Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:33 pm  

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He isn't replying on an injury. He's trying to be good enough to be in the top 4 props.
Wouldn't matter how good he played for us, he wasn't getting to Wembley.

He wasn't to know some guy was going to come in with money. He wasn't even guaranteed a place in our team at the time.

I'm not saying he should have stayed because Ellis came in, I'm saying he should have stayed because he'd have walked into our team last season. He'd have had 15-20 games under his belt. Instead he played around 6 or 7, half what he played the year before.

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Re: Isaac Shaw re-signs : Mon Dec 11, 2023 12:36 am  

imwakefieldtillidie wrote:

I'm not saying he should have stayed because Ellis came in, I'm saying he should have stayed because he'd have walked into our team last season. He'd have had 15-20 games under his belt. Instead he played around 6 or 7, half what he played the year before.

But as he was out for so long with a thumb injury he wouldn't have played for us either, and he'd have been in a losing team every week too.

Hull KR are very much a team on the up. If he'd stayed he might have played more games but he'd have been relegated so his value goes down.
I'd like to keep our young talent but imo he made the right choice for himself at that time.

Re: Isaac Shaw re-signs : Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:20 am  

PopTart wrote:

But as he was out for so long with a thumb injury he wouldn't have played for us either, and he'd have been in a losing team every week too.

Hull KR are very much a team on the up. If he'd stayed he might have played more games but he'd have been relegated so his value goes down.
I'd like to keep our young talent but imo he made the right choice for himself at that time.

Would you say Eseh's value went down?

Re: Isaac Shaw re-signs : Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:36 am  

I maybe wrong, but wasn't both Batchelor and Aydin both under the agent that had a falling out with MC.

Also, consider this. If we do come back up and challange the top 6 immediately, which is what Ellis wants to hit constantly, and these players that left to chase better money and silverware dont achieve that, who's to say some potentially come back.

Re: Isaac Shaw re-signs : Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:47 am  

I can understand people wanting Batch back. I can understand people being sad at the loss of Eseh, I was devastated that we lost TJ, but Aydin!

Don't get me wrong, he's a decent player, borderline SL imo. However he's gone and that's that. There are plenty of forwards out there who are as good if not better and when/if we re-join SL it's the better ones I'd want.

It seems to me that this Aydin thing has far more to do with him being a supposedly hard done too ex Academy lad, than his actual ability. If it weren't for that I seriously doubt anyone on here would be touting him as a signing.

We owe our youngsters a chance, but once they leave we owe them absolutely nothing. Isaac Shaw is the man we concentrate on now, he's the one wearing the RW&B of Trinity, the past is the past.

Re: Isaac Shaw re-signs : Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:58 am  

imwakefieldtillidie wrote:

I felt at the time he'd made a mistake leaving. He might be earning more, but he was never going to get the game time there that he'd have with us last year. A full season with us, playing regularly and he'd have still been free to go wherever he wanted at the end of the season. It worked for Eseh.

The financial terms he was offered were derisory by Trinity.

He was offered double your money deals by 2 clubs and took the one he felt best for him.

He missed the preseason last year due to injury which will impact massively any player let alone a young developing middle and then picked up another injury on his return.

He’s getting a full preseason under his belt this year at a club that will be competing at the top end of the table and he’s still a very young.

I personally think he would have been a great direct replacement for Arona in 2023 but the club felt otherwise.

I do think he needs to be making an impact this year with 10-15 games.

I don’t think he would have kept us up in 2023 but I do think the squad would be stronger for having him in it and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him back at the club in the future.

Re: Isaac Shaw re-signs : Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:01 am  

Yep, have to agree, Vasty.
Aydin never broke through into our first team and even though he went on loan to Leeds he obviously didn't impress enough there to warrant them making him an offer...was a 6/10 player for me.
If he kicks on to the next level with KR then good luck to him but for me that ship has sailed and we move on to (hopefully) bigger and better things