Re: Webster out : Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:04 pm  

If you tell a team (and it's common knowledge) that it doesn't matter what the result is until the split then lack of effort is what you will get. You can't expect a team to ignore this and bust a gut when the coach says they don't have to.
For what it's worth I'm not sure this is the reason but God am I getting fed up of the hammerings.

Re: Webster out : Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:05 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

and . . Mariano!

Shhh! You know what effect statements like that will have on a certain poster!!

Re: Webster out : Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:10 pm  

Kevs Head wrote:

It's not my strategy - I don't like the situation any more than you do I imagine. But, be realistic.
It's not lack of ambition it's pragmatism. We are probably the poorest, financially, club in SL by a long way. We have a small squad of players, mainly who are not wanted by other SL clubs - if they were any good, they wouldn't be playing for us. BUT, it's better to be in SL than out of it. If Webster can marshal resources to keep us in SL that's surely a good thing. I don't know who'll come along next season and put money in to the club and neither do you but, until said sugar daddy comes along, I'd rather be in SL than the Champs. In the meantime it seems to be a case of losing some battles in order to win the war. What else do you suggest?

I'd have suggested keeping it out of the public domain.

Re: Webster out : Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:17 pm  

I can accept we're on a bad run, but there's only so much you can put down to injuries, lack of quality/depth. I didn't go today thankfully, but 80 nil - there's something's seriously wrong.

Re: Webster out : Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:25 pm  

Why would sammutt be happy? he signed as a half back and as done quite well when played there but gets played full back even though he clearly isn't one, yet toss like miller gets played half back every week.

Re: Webster out : Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:31 pm  

Webster In.

Re: Webster out : Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:33 pm  

After driving all the way from East Yorkshire to watch that today I am struggling to justify how any of them deserve the shirt they wore today. (Sorry to upset any of those who've had a go at him in the past but Owen was one of our better performers today - IMHO).

As I watched the players gathered under the sticks I thought about my 30+ years of following the club. When the team has struggled in the past, fought against or even suffered relegation they never had the potential and unique skills to match the team that played today. That really hurts as a life long fan. They are clearly not putting the effort in and a fair few fans voiced that to them today. They can perform better and have shown us that in the not so distant past.

I genuinely think all the players and coach owe an apology to all of us who went today and paid to watch that shambles. Our support is why the club exists, we deserve some passion on the pitch from our team.

I'm now sick of Webster's excuses, they don't wash anymore. The team aren't playing for him or for each other.

After the Hull/Widnes game last night Lee Radford explained on the radio how he is struggling to get a full team together. He also said that if he'd been losing games by 40+ each week then he would have walked.

Last Monday after our game at Headingley, McDermott on Radio Leeds said how he'd had squad issues too and had to blood some inexperienced players.

I accept we have the lowest player budget in SL. However we all know what those names on the teamsheet can do when they put their minds to it.

All those unforced errors today (foot in touch by Kirmond, kick out on the full, unnecessary offloads etc) were woeful and creates unnecessary pressure.

The idea of saving ourselves just for the Middle 8 worries me a lot now. It is a massive gamble which is likely to back fire. We can't consistently perform for 7 matches in a row. One or two key injuries early into the middle 8 then we are up a creek. Also you can't just switch form on and off like it is a tap. Form develops over time.

How we are going to hit form I don't know. The defence is the worst in SL by a long way. Our attacking structure is non-existent. It was dull, predictable passing. No set moves or movement in the line off the ball. We struggled at times to have anyone to run onto a pass.

Where we go from here I'm not sure. Carter says we have no money which I accept. Keep things as they are and we'll have less because people won't pay to watch that. Home crowds of 2,000 could be a possibility in the next few weeks. Then it is a downward spiral we may never get out of.

I know we can't afford to sack Webster. Yet why have the team stopped performing for him and why is he so sure we can hit form in the 8's? We need a defensive coach and quick. Also a tactician and some help on fitness can't do any harm.

Re: Webster out : Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:36 pm  

The question has to be asked..would you rather watch a team in super-league getting beat by 80 points every week full of journeymen or a competitive team of mostly local lads in the championship?

Re: Webster out : Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:58 pm  

The latter for me if its a choice of only the two options.

If nothing matters but the playoffs after round 23 then what sort of team is he putting out against Halifax on Friday? The Under 19's? A run in the cup would give confidence to the squad and most importantly the paying public!

I can't believe there hasn't been an official apology for that disgraceful performance by the coach.

A championship team like Dewsbury wouldn't have been beaten by 80 by Warrington today. My god what an embarrassment.

I also really do not understand how with decent rehabilitation techniques that Kirke and Molloy are still injured having played 1 game each in the last 6 months! Webster said 2/3 weeks ago that Kirke was a couple of weeks away from playing but still no sign when it's needed most against a very big powerful Warrington pack even if he comes as interchange off the bench.

Is there no money for loan players? If it's not that then why were we not trying to get a couple of genuine props in for cover as Hand was injured and already gone back to St.Helens? Griffin is predominantly a second row playing prop.

Cox has gone to Giants on loan this week and would have been a very useful acquisition if he'd been willing to come to lowly Trinity.

If the club gets through this season there is a real need for a massive clear out. There is too much dead wood being carried at the club both playing and coaching staff in my eyes. (Injury prone players, Poor Physio, ineffective defensive coach if one exists!).

Who comes in? I don't know but I'm just a very concerned fan ......a qualified experienced coach who is a good motivator would be a start. Instead of making excuses all the time about playing injuries and wait till after week 23...not an original plan as he sent Molloy to Sheffield where he got injured instead of keeping him with the squad fit.

If he doesn't have players to train or coach then get some in on loan and from under 19's at least then Webster is working for a living coaching them on the training field. If he can't coach them what is he doing with them all week watching videos? This one will be a real horror show for them to view.

Re: Webster out : Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:04 pm  

If the touch judge had seen the Wires winger put his foot into touch for one of the first half tries it would've been a different outcome