Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:48 am  

trinity374 wrote: I totally agree that the law has to be tougher. It sickens me when I see some of the mindless filth in our society brought before the courts having many times wrecked somebody's life, by violence or whatever, and being handed joke sentences. I really don't know what planet some of the juges are on, but they should hang their heads in shame and just for once think of the victim. Not an advocate of the death penalty but life means life. simple as that. Yeah would be a fresh of breath air if we had a tougher system Another one this morning https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-50798080 That's to add to these that got me anger the other day https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-n ... e-50754863 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... urder.html

trinity374 wrote: I totally agree that the law has to be tougher. It sickens me when I see some of the mindless filth in our society brought before the courts having many times wrecked somebody's life, by violence or whatever, and being handed joke sentences. I really don't know what planet some of the juges are on, but they should hang their heads in shame and just for once think of the victim. Not an advocate of the death penalty but life means life. simple as that. Yeah would be a fresh of breath air if we had a tougher system Another one this morning https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-50798080 That's to add to these that got me anger the other day https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-n ... e-50754863 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... urder.html

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:50 am  

PopTart wrote:

Posting numbers on here is no different to the bus.
Even if ever number is factually true its only half the picture.

We've had a vote. It went against my opinion first time.
We've had another vote and the result was overwhelming.

I don't see the point of the "we won the argument" comment from Corbyn or the 'were all doomed' supporters.
We have a government. Let's move forward and see what happens. We've been stood still too long.

I think this is Pop Tarts way of saying it’s getting boring now and I agree, at the end of the day what’s happened as happened and I very much doubt the hard working people will feel much difference.

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:59 am  

snowie wrote: Yeah would be a fresh of breath air if we had a tougher system Another one this morning https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-50798080 That's to add to these that got me anger the other day https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-n ... e-50754863 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... urder.html I’ve always said Snowie that if, god forbid, anything happened like that to any members of my family I’d be quite happy to flick the switch, pull the trigger, shove the needle with even a grin on my face

snowie wrote: Yeah would be a fresh of breath air if we had a tougher system Another one this morning https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-50798080 That's to add to these that got me anger the other day https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-n ... e-50754863 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... urder.html I’ve always said Snowie that if, god forbid, anything happened like that to any members of my family I’d be quite happy to flick the switch, pull the trigger, shove the needle with even a grin on my face

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:10 am  

Big lads mate wrote:

I’ve always said Snowie that if, god forbid, anything happened like that to any members of my family I’d be quite happy to flick the switch, pull the trigger, shove the needle with even a grin on my face

yeah me too but some would like to turn the other cheek and forgive them,
take Diane Abbott for instance she was up in arms over police taking out thieving motorcyclist in case someone but the police continued and it looks like the trend has at least slowed down
Harder stance is needed

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:40 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

Some but not all, unfortunately the death penalty would be applied to some of these and what do you do then say sorry we got it wrong. The Birmingham 6, Steven Kitchcoe for example, all convicted for murder all had to be released after they are found to have not committed the crimes.

Indeed.

There is a major issue regarding some "political/religious" prisoners in that, regardless of how long the spend behind bars, will they ever change their view of the world. In many cases, their views can become further entrenched whilst in prison - the recent London Bridge case proving the point.
Locking them up doesn't help anyone and the sure as hell aren't safe to be released - I'm not sure that there is an answer.
Perhaps not allowing people back into the UK could be an answer but, this only moves the problem elsewhere, it doesn't solve it.
As for the death penalty, it certainly isn't a deterrent and as you rightly point out, there have been plenty of cases in the fairly recent past where innocent people have been banged up and the real perpetrators remain free.

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:49 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Indeed.

There is a major issue regarding some "political/religious" prisoners in that, regardless of how long the spend behind bars, will they ever change their view of the world. In many cases, their views can become further entrenched whilst in prison - the recent London Bridge case proving the point.
Locking them up doesn't help anyone and the sure as hell aren't safe to be released - I'm not sure that there is an answer.
Perhaps not allowing people back into the UK could be an answer but, this only moves the problem elsewhere, it doesn't solve it.
As for the death penalty, it certainly isn't a deterrent and as you rightly point out, there have been plenty of cases in the fairly recent past where innocent people have been banged up and the real perpetrators remain free.

100% correct Wren regarding being locked up, take it from me most are educated more inside about crime than on the out and with 3 meals a day a roof over their head and an occasional spray tan thrown in, yes a spray tan

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:06 am  

Child molesters and rapists should definitely face the death penalty, there’s no place in society for them and it’d ease the burden on prison officers.

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:40 am  

Here is where I got my info from. https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governme ... 2017-10-31 Whichever way you look at it, a lot of money, where it could be invested better in the UK, for such as NHS, policing, etc. As for capital punishment, I would say paedophiles, and mass murderers, but then other crimes, to have tougher sentences than what is carried now.

Here is where I got my info from. https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governme ... 2017-10-31 Whichever way you look at it, a lot of money, where it could be invested better in the UK, for such as NHS, policing, etc. As for capital punishment, I would say paedophiles, and mass murderers, but then other crimes, to have tougher sentences than what is carried now.

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:55 am  

Eastern Wildcat wrote: Here is where I got my info from. https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governme ... 2017-10-31 Whichever way you look at it, a lot of money, where it could be invested better in the UK, for such as NHS, policing, etc. But the whole point of the EU is that it means mutual prosperity (relative to where we would be outside it). The contributions are immaterial in the context of the UK government budget but also are massively outweighed by the economic benefits being members brings - it's a cheap price to pay for access to the world's largest single market. And the contributions, FWIW, don't just go into the pockets of the so-called unelected bureaucrats in Brussels, they are reinvested, like the money which comes back to the UK, in other parts of the EU to help make them more prosperous and so better able to buy our goods and services - it's the whole idea of the mutual benefits of membership. That new road in Greece helps get your goods to market faster, the Motorway of the Sea opens up new export markets which weren't feasible before. The most frustrating thing about the EU debate was the simplistic zero-sum game being put forward - take the money out of there, invest it here. It takes only a tiny reduction in the UK's prosperity for the contributions to be overcome by reduced tax take and almost no-one is putting forward the argument that we won't see a reduction in economic activity and prosperity following Brexit (we've already very clearly seen it as the UK fell from the front to the back of the growth tables). One silver lining of Johnson getting a decent sized majority is that he will no longer be in thrall to the hard right of his party so should be able to get a more centrist arrangement through the House of Commons than he would have before - it will still be a pretty hard Brexit with no Single Market or Customs Union but probably not one the nutter wing of his party will have much time for.

Eastern Wildcat wrote: Here is where I got my info from. https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governme ... 2017-10-31 Whichever way you look at it, a lot of money, where it could be invested better in the UK, for such as NHS, policing, etc. But the whole point of the EU is that it means mutual prosperity (relative to where we would be outside it). The contributions are immaterial in the context of the UK government budget but also are massively outweighed by the economic benefits being members brings - it's a cheap price to pay for access to the world's largest single market. And the contributions, FWIW, don't just go into the pockets of the so-called unelected bureaucrats in Brussels, they are reinvested, like the money which comes back to the UK, in other parts of the EU to help make them more prosperous and so better able to buy our goods and services - it's the whole idea of the mutual benefits of membership. That new road in Greece helps get your goods to market faster, the Motorway of the Sea opens up new export markets which weren't feasible before. The most frustrating thing about the EU debate was the simplistic zero-sum game being put forward - take the money out of there, invest it here. It takes only a tiny reduction in the UK's prosperity for the contributions to be overcome by reduced tax take and almost no-one is putting forward the argument that we won't see a reduction in economic activity and prosperity following Brexit (we've already very clearly seen it as the UK fell from the front to the back of the growth tables). One silver lining of Johnson getting a decent sized majority is that he will no longer be in thrall to the hard right of his party so should be able to get a more centrist arrangement through the House of Commons than he would have before - it will still be a pretty hard Brexit with no Single Market or Customs Union but probably not one the nutter wing of his party will have much time for.

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:17 pm  

Big lads mate wrote:

100% correct Wren regarding being locked up, take it from me most are educated more inside about crime than on the out and with 3 meals a day a roof over their head and an occasional spray tan thrown in, yes a spray tan

So true BLM.
And Great Britain, where you can get put in prison for not having a TV licence, then while you're banged up, get to watch free TV.
The irony.
F**king unbelievable.