Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:40 pm  

PopTart wrote:

So tell us your opinion rather than asking us as a weak way to prove there is a problem.

Actually I did give my opinion, and more, your not paying attention Pop tart, so here it is again.

I am 66 years of age and, along with my father and grandfather have watched Trinity play
at Bell Vue throughout the 20th and now 21st centuries.
We have watched the game during the depths of winter with ice, snow, rain, hail, fog (Widnes anyone?) etc.
We have travelled with thousands of others in cars, vans, buses, trains have walked many a time through the above winter conditions to get our rugby league fix at both Belle Vue and a host of other rugby grounds with only a cup of Bovril, a jar of vapour rub or a tot of the hard stuff to keep the harsh winter conditions at bay.

Our generation and those before us have dodged or coped with the common cold, flue, the flu, sore throats, norovirus, achy joints, cold sores, dry and cracking skin, asthma (the wife). Sinus infections, bronchitis, pneumonia, etc all caused or aggravated by those gruelling winter trips to Belle Vue to stand for two to three hours in the above mentioned weather before walking or driving home cold, freezing and completely wet through. And for a few of us that was after playing a game of winter rugby that very morning.

No doubt that over the past 150 years some have succumbed to the experience of trudging to Belle Vue, Odsal, Noughton Park, the Watersheddings and Fartown and have sadly succumbed to whatever ailment they contracted enjoying their rugby. But hey, ho, it happened and no one, as far as I know, coincided closing down these stadiums, not in a 150 years did they consider such draconian action.

So, here we are in the summer of 2020. A virus that 99.7% of people will simply never know they have or even had it. A virus that 100% of people I have asked, most over 65 years of age, do not personally know anyone who has died from C-19. A virus so deadly we need a test to find out if we have it or not.

My question is, what of the future of Trinity and Belle Vue. How many deaths are the club willing to accept in future years from complications or directly from, lets say, influenza. A condition that leads to the death of thousands every year, vaccine or no vaccine.

Pop Tart on these boards told us a few months ago that he was, to paraphrase, willing to give up a foreign holiday if If it saved just one life. I put it to him that watching and playing rugby has no doubt resulted in many deaths (see above) over the years. He did not respond to that.
I see he still supports the game being played.

So, what of the future given most on here appear to support the draconian measure currently being taken.

If I support these measures, which I do not, but if I did I would say that we should never, ever, re-open our stadiums for fear of catching something or other or risking a players death or that player becoming paralyzed, etc.

C-19 may come and go but death from influenza will not go away nor will other the complications that afflict us whenever we attend rugby matches along with thousands of our fellow human beings.

Stop this madness now and lets get back to normal, Lets get back to watching rugby without fear as our forefathers did. NOT the crazy “new normal” they(???) have attempted and in most cases, succeeded, to brain wash us with.

But back to the question re Belle Vue. If, let us say, we needed 5,000 attending to break even and we can now sumize that will never be allowed nor should it so long as inflenza, let alone Covid-19 is lurking in the air.What of the future of Wakefield Trinity? And rugby league.

"weak" enough for you ? Or do you just want to nit pick.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:47 pm  

snowie wrote:

yes your correct we should question the crap that comes out of anyone's mouth that's why I questioned you about your medical experience which you had admitted to having zero but you simply read it on line, do you honestly think the government is doing this on purpose in fact the whole world is in for destroy its self,
you only have to look at some of the cranks out there take David Icke for instance gets his crap on the internet you read it and your bought, I'd rather read and listen to the ones with the relative experience and take my judgement from them not a rugby league forum.
I'd rather we error in caution that just open the country up to be overcome with covid 19

stay safe

Where did I say I read David Icke ????
Have I not quoted on this and past threads doctors, nurses and scientists ??? Do you actually read these threads fully or are you just someone with a knee jerk reaction to someone who disagrees with you.
As for "take my judgement from them not a rugby league forum" then why are you here. You have read the title of the discussion "What now for fans watching? Covid chat."
Maybe you should stick to Big Daves foot type of threads.
By the way, I love your terminology..."ERROR in caution" Just about sums it up doesn't it ?

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:51 pm  

can only be thankful that your in no position of authority

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:12 pm  

Miro wrote:

Actually I did give my opinion, and more, your not paying attention Pop tart, so here it is again.

I am 66 years of age and, along with my father and grandfather have watched Trinity play
at Bell Vue throughout the 20th and now 21st centuries.
We have watched the game during the depths of winter with ice, snow, rain, hail, fog (Widnes anyone?) etc.
We have travelled with thousands of others in cars, vans, buses, trains have walked many a time through the above winter conditions to get our rugby league fix at both Belle Vue and a host of other rugby grounds with only a cup of Bovril, a jar of vapour rub or a tot of the hard stuff to keep the harsh winter conditions at bay.

Our generation and those before us have dodged or coped with the common cold, flue, the flu, sore throats, norovirus, achy joints, cold sores, dry and cracking skin, asthma (the wife). Sinus infections, bronchitis, pneumonia, etc all caused or aggravated by those gruelling winter trips to Belle Vue to stand for two to three hours in the above mentioned weather before walking or driving home cold, freezing and completely wet through. And for a few of us that was after playing a game of winter rugby that very morning.

No doubt that over the past 150 years some have succumbed to the experience of trudging to Belle Vue, Odsal, Noughton Park, the Watersheddings and Fartown and have sadly succumbed to whatever ailment they contracted enjoying their rugby. But hey, ho, it happened and no one, as far as I know, coincided closing down these stadiums, not in a 150 years did they consider such draconian action.

So, here we are in the summer of 2020. A virus that 99.7% of people will simply never know they have or even had it. A virus that 100% of people I have asked, most over 65 years of age, do not personally know anyone who has died from C-19. A virus so deadly we need a test to find out if we have it or not.

My question is, what of the future of Trinity and Belle Vue. How many deaths are the club willing to accept in future years from complications or directly from, lets say, influenza. A condition that leads to the death of thousands every year, vaccine or no vaccine.

Pop Tart on these boards told us a few months ago that he was, to paraphrase, willing to give up a foreign holiday if If it saved just one life. I put it to him that watching and playing rugby has no doubt resulted in many deaths (see above) over the years. He did not respond to that.
I see he still supports the game being played.

So, what of the future given most on here appear to support the draconian measure currently being taken.

If I support these measures, which I do not, but if I did I would say that we should never, ever, re-open our stadiums for fear of catching something or other or risking a players death or that player becoming paralyzed, etc.

C-19 may come and go but death from influenza will not go away nor will other the complications that afflict us whenever we attend rugby matches along with thousands of our fellow human beings.

Stop this madness now and lets get back to normal, Lets get back to watching rugby without fear as our forefathers did. NOT the crazy “new normal” they(???) have attempted and in most cases, succeeded, to brain wash us with.

But back to the question re Belle Vue. If, let us say, we needed 5,000 attending to break even and we can now sumize that will never be allowed nor should it so long as inflenza, let alone Covid-19 is lurking in the air.What of the future of Wakefield Trinity? And rugby league.

"weak" enough for you ? Or do you just want to nit pick.

I think you need to check your figures the death rate in USA is over 3% of those infected your 99.7% of people not knowing they have had it is absolute rubbish

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:37 pm  

snowie wrote:

can only be thankful that your in no position of authority

Simplistic come back, you must have spent hours over that.
Now then genius, where have I mentioned David Icke? or was that just wishful thinking on your part.

[PopTart]

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:45 pm  

You should also check the numbers in Pinderfields Miro. Went from 6 to 25 in 4 days.
Those people aren't made up. They are real people. Someone's parent or child, brother or sister, that needs serious medical help. Some may not come out.

But yer, watching rugby live is the important thing.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:56 pm  

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote:

I think you need to check your figures the death rate in USA is over 3% of those infected your 99.7% of people not knowing they have had it is absolute rubbish

The death figures in the USA have recently been drasticly revised, as they have in this country. Please provide a link to back up your figure of 3%.
Go on then, nit pick over the 99.7 % figure but bear in mind the words of Chris Whitty speakiing while standing beside Boris at a Downing Street press conference. I have the video too.

"Look.
Most people, well, a significant portion will not get this virus at all at any point in the epidemic which is going on for a long period of time. Of those who do, some will get the virus without even knowing it.

The will have the virus with no symptoms at all....asymptomatic carriage and we know that happens.
Of those who get the symptoms, the great majority, probably 80% will have a mild or moderate disease. Might be bad enough for them to have to go to bed for a few days, not bad enough for them to to have to go to a doctor.
An unfortunate minority will have to go to hospital and the a minority of those will up having to go to severe and critical care and some of those will sadly die.
But that's a minority...it's 1% or possibly even less than 1% and even in the highest risk groups this is significantly less than 20% i.e. even the great majority of people even the very highest groups if they catch this virus will not die."

In a nutshell, this was Chris Whitty telling us, in so many words that the lockdown was entirely unnecessary.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:04 pm  

Miro wrote:

The death figures in the USA have recently been drasticly revised, as they have in this country. Please provide a link to back up your figure of 3%.
Go on then, nit pick over the 99.7 % figure but bear in mind the words of Chris Whitty speakiing while standing beside Boris at a Downing Street press conference. I have the video too.

"Look.
Most people, well, a significant portion will not get this virus at all at any point in the epidemic which is going on for a long period of time. Of those who do, some will get the virus without even knowing it.

The will have the virus with no symptoms at all....asymptomatic carriage and we know that happens.
Of those who get the symptoms, the great majority, probably 80% will have a mild or moderate disease. Might be bad enough for them to have to go to bed for a few days, not bad enough for them to to have to go to a doctor.
An unfortunate minority will have to go to hospital and the a minority of those will up having to go to severe and critical care and some of those will sadly die.
But that's a minority...it's 1% or possibly even less than 1% and even in the highest risk groups this is significantly less than 20% i.e. even the great majority of people even the very highest groups if they catch this virus will not die."

In a nutshell, this was Chris Whitty telling us, in so many words that the lockdown was entirely unnecessary.

but you don't give a toss about them you've made that clear

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:07 pm  

PopTart wrote:

You should also check the numbers in Pinderfields Miro. Went from 6 to 25 in 4 days.
Those people aren't made up. They are real people. Someone's parent or child, brother or sister, that needs serious medical help. Some may not come out.

But yer, watching rugby live is the important thing.

How do I check these figures ? What exactly are their symptoms. Like the symptoms desceibed by Chris Whitty above? Symptons different to the flu, what?

"Some may not come out ?????? Well, let me know will you.

And quit the jibes about live rugby, your better than that. You know it's not just about that. Grow up.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:08 pm  

I hope it isn't 1% , 1% of our population is 660,000