Re: Chester Gone : Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:28 am  

homme vaste wrote:

I didn`t have a problem with his signing, I was actually in favour of it but there is no doubting that with his age and him slowing down the couple years before he was a big risk, in a key position and took up the budget, there were plenty of posters on here that posted that at the time. In the same vein he could of been a huge success, as I say its a risk, some work out some don`t, it`s all in hindsight as you say but some signings are riskier than others and Brough was a big risk that didn't pay off IMO.

Nobody really knows with signings, I now try to avoid getting too excited or too negative about any signings, Anthony Tupou springs to mind as one I got very excited about we all knew how that turned out and then you have signings like Kirmo, I mean who got excited about that at the time? Didn`t we get him in a swap deal with 2 or 3 other players? Then out of nowhere he was probably the best second row forward in the league for a couple of years, anyway I`m going down the garden path into the wilderness on this one, too much caffeine this morning

Kyle wood? and Andy Raleigh I think

Re: Chester Gone : Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:56 am  

Brian Mac not for me, I've explained previously why, and for a team like ours it will be very much similar to what we have experienced over the past 3 years without a massive uplift in budget.

Go on the Leeds forum and ask for their feedback, or find the massive thread where they want him out, it makes the CC ones on here small fry.

Re: Chester Gone : Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:58 am  

BigJMolloy wrote:

Brian Mc or Danny Ward for me.

I don’t buy in to the local lad or played for the club requirement, I’m interested in who can shape and lead us into a difficult year and beyond.

McDermott has had a hugely successful career, (player and coach), and has achieved pretty much all there is to achieve.

An apprenticeship under Tony Smith at the Giants and Rhinos, coached a struggling limited budget club in London and won everything there is to win as a coach when back at Leeds.
Yes with a golden generation of players but it still needed to be won, with Toronto anyone should have got them up, he did, Rowley didn’t. Toronto has been well covered but the contract and administration left their super league chances as slim to none.
Could he manage to steady the ship at Wakefield? I believe so but the playing group would need to buy in to his approach and philosophies which appear to be discipline based. Do they have the mindset? As professionals you would hope so.
(The mentality piece he did with stevie ward is well worth a listen/watch)

As for Danny Ward, similar start to his career coaching London gaining promotion and certainly not disgracing themselves whilst in the super league. Would Danny’s approach to the playing group be more suitable than McDermott’s? Possibly.

Either way we have to be realistic. Talk of JD, Wane etc it’s pure fantasy. We know where we are as a club and I’m sure MC knows where we need to be in terms of budget. I would assume, (as with all of the above), that McDermott and Ward will meet that criteria and have an interest in the role.

I take on board what you say and it could well work out well but i'll take issue with the bit highlighted. McDermott coached them in the Ian Leneghan owned era and spent near as damn it full cap. It was the era of Danny Orr, Henry Paul, Mark Mclinden, Rob Purdham, LMS, Tony Clubb, Luke Dorn etc were there and they had on paper a very good side yet their finishing positions got progressively worse whilst he was there. Still it could turn out to be a match made in either heaven or hell but if MC thinks Brian Smith was stubborn and strong-willed wait until he meets Brian Mac!

Re: Chester Gone : Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:07 pm  

Whether he had money, the golden generation or whatever else at Leeds he still won things...ask Woolf Wane and countless others at the 'big' clubs who've also spent to their cap how difficult it is to win the GF or Challenge cup

I just think at this moment in time BM would do exactly the job we need, starting with the double D of defence and discipline - by discipline I mean adopting a professional approach to all aspects of off field, training and every other method of looking after mind & body

Re: Chester Gone : Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:34 pm  

Mable_Syrup wrote:

i think he meant brought not Brough

Now you've said that I think your right and the post does make more sense, although I still say that up until his thumb injury he looked value for money and we were playing some decent stuff, then when he returned from injury things were on a downward trend which didn't help.

Re: Chester Gone : Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:13 pm  

chissitt wrote:

Now you've said that I think your right and the post does make more sense, although I still say that up until his thumb injury he looked value for money and we were playing some decent stuff, then when he returned from injury things were on a downward trend which didn't help.

I seem to remember him having a stormer in that Leeds match at Headingley? Back when we used to try and get the ball to our superstar winger as often as possible.

Anyway to repeat myself, Kear right at the top of any list for me

Re: Chester Gone : Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:49 pm  

Sacred Cow wrote:

I take on board what you say and it could well work out well but i'll take issue with the bit highlighted. McDermott coached them in the Ian Leneghan owned era and spent near as damn it full cap. It was the era of Danny Orr, Henry Paul, Mark Mclinden, Rob Purdham, LMS, Tony Clubb, Luke Dorn etc were there and they had on paper a very good side yet their finishing positions got progressively worse whilst he was there. Still it could turn out to be a match made in either heaven or hell but if MC thinks Brian Smith was stubborn and strong-willed wait until he meets Brian Mac!

Fair point on the squad, in all honesty can’t remember that far back.

It’s going to be a difficult one as the two I prefer, (which means nothing), in Mac and Ward, on the surface have two different approaches. Which one suits us, the playing group and the board? Not a clue.

Re: Chester Gone : Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:17 pm  

BigJMolloy wrote:

Fair point on the squad, in all honesty can’t remember that far back.

It’s going to be a difficult one as the two I prefer, (which means nothing), in Mac and Ward, on the surface have two different approaches. Which one suits us, the playing group and the board? Not a clue.

It’s not an easy choice for sure. Personally i’d go for Ward but if we pick up some wins before the season is out then it’s probably immaterial as Poching will likely get it.

Re: Chester Gone : Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:09 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I don't think we quite need the outrage. I don't think it was intended to be a racist slur. The phrase is often used in mainstream media rightly or wrongly.

But the point stands. Keep to the subject of the thread.
Poky, as always, as a guest on here, if you come on just to wind Wakefield fans up, that priviledge will be taken away.

Give over its a racist slur, just for once be real and give up being such a hypocrite.

You know he meant it and I’ll tell you why, not that you’ll be interested.

Can you call an Asian or a black man a gammon?

Answer is you can’t can you because it’s linked to skin colour. You can call anyone a scumbag, it’s offensive but not racist.

[PopTart]

Re: Chester Gone : Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:13 pm  

vastman wrote:

Give over its a racist slur, just for once be real and give up being such a hypocrite.

You know he meant it and I’ll tell you why, not that you’ll be interested.

Can you call an Asian or a black man a gammon?

Answer is you can’t can you because it’s linked to skin colour. You can call anyone a scumbag, it’s offensive but not racist.

How is my comment being hypocritical?