Re: Dear Board of Directors. : Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:08 pm  

First25 wrote:

I have yet to see the ones who demonstrate pure hatred towards a certain individual offer anything concrete as to a way forward. They seem to revel in an almost orgasmic state at the opportunity presented to them to satisfy long held grudges and grievances .
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There has been a sort of an anarchic faction e-whining since the collapse of the Shane McNally's golden era. That's nearly 10 years ago. I doubt that Carter going will draw us all into one big happy family.

Re: Dear Board of Directors. : Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:17 pm  

I actually find some of the underlying grievances with MC quite scary, verging on disturbing.

Re: Dear Board of Directors. : Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:47 pm  

Longestday wrote:

I actually find some of the underlying grievances with MC quite scary, verging on disturbing.

Do you know, I actually find some of the underlying worship and appreciation of Carter very disturbing. Good bean counter but a disaster as self appointed CEO and director of rugby.

Re: Dear Board of Directors. : Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:48 pm  

We either pay inflated rent or buy the asset, don't t now the actual figures, but seemed like a no brainer to me.

Re: Dear Board of Directors. : Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:05 pm  

Prince Buster wrote:

Don't companies go bankrupt in your world

That did cause me to chuckle… but ok I will engage a moment…

1) sometimes I live in my world ( when I’m asleep and dreaming.. when I’m alone walking on the beach lost in my own thoughts… or meditating) but mostly I live in THE world, the one where there are laws of science, economics, and guiding principles such as psychology, sociology, ethics and morals… on top of that there are laws of the country and personal value sets.

2) yes, in that world, companies become insolvent (as trinity have in the past) individuals are declared bankrupt… and associated villains are prosecuted for gross negligence and impropriety.

2.a I have never heard of anyone being found guilty of living within their means, either in the world of business or other worldly dealings.

3) securing ownership of the ground as a tangible asset - loans and supporting guarantees are not provided on the basis of a nod of the head. It requires a sound and solid plan, risk analysis and deep scrutiny. As with most property, and land purchases… the long term expectation is that the value of the property will grow whilst, over time, the loan will decrease. Economics1.01

4) finally securing the developer investment (supposedly committed over a decade ago by the cabal of treacherous business leaders and advisors) to build a money earning capability that goes beyond (way beyond) a similar capability of the Rugby League business alone. Asset utilisation and realisation 1.01.

5) It is a board of directors legal responsibility to ensure that the business they are responsible for is viable and well managed… so the first duty of the board is sustainability… then build success using systems and principles that are commensurate with and to laws, rules and ethics.

I posted a piece on, and from within, the Salford club a couple of days ago… their sustainable future is now reliant on increased community investment.. (in a form of Co-operative… if you will) and is destabilised by the lack of a secure tenure for a stadium… an uncertainty which stands stark and clear in their narrative. Should their model break (and their appeal seems to suggest that without further investment, it surely will) they have no asset base, business alternatives or funding streams to fall back on.

As I said I have no axe to grind with anyone else opinions, but when faced with a situation, I try to bring to bear my experience, accumulated knowledge and qualified expertise in drawing a conclusion and forming an opinion…

although from memory, I believe there is a pervading political view in the UK that the population should no longer listen to such people, as we have, apparently, all had enough of experts!

So maybe I should stop listening to this self reflection in my musings!?!?

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Re: Dear Board of Directors. : Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:07 pm  

Prince Buster wrote:

Do you know, I actually find some of the underlying worship and appreciation of Carter very disturbing. Good bean counter but a disaster as self appointed CEO and director of rugby.

You see, that's where the people with agendas and grievances are wrong, and blinded by judging people by their own standards.

The people I've seen post a view against those that are on a mission to put him down do not say he's perfect, they just point out that the things being said about him are wrong or at least biased.

People seem to forget there's a human at the end of those insults and false claims.......and damage the club far more than Proctor going for a long weekend break.

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Re: Dear Board of Directors. : Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:11 pm  

Outstanding Spooki. Outstanding.

Re: Dear Board of Directors. : Fri Apr 28, 2023 10:10 pm  

BarnsleyGull wrote:

I'd be more worried being a Salford fan tbh....

And ironically Salfords perilous financial status is our only hope of surviving as a Superleague club.

Various reports are saying that Salford can’t pay their debts, haven’t been on time with player wages and could find themselves involved in an insolvency action. If that happens they will be on the end of a big points deduction and/or relegation to League One.

I’m not wishing it on them, just voicing the state of play

Re: Dear Board of Directors. : Fri Apr 28, 2023 10:45 pm  

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You see, that's where the people with agendas and grievances are wrong, and blinded by judging people by their own standards.

The people I've seen post a view against those that are on a mission to put him down do not say he's perfect, they just point out that the things being said about him are wrong or at least biased.

People seem to forget there's a human at the end of those insults and false claims.......and damage the club far more than Proctor going for a long weekend break.

He is obviously a good accountant but then chose to take over certain aspects of the running of the club for which he is certainly not experienced in. This in itself left him open to questions, I am sure he would be happy to accept any plaudits however his experience and his core skill left us in the position we are in now.

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Re: Dear Board of Directors. : Fri Apr 28, 2023 11:43 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

He is obviously a good accountant but then chose to take over certain aspects of the running of the club for which he is certainly not experienced in. This in itself left him open to questions, I am sure he would be happy to accept any plaudits however his experience and his core skill left us in the position we are in now.

I agree.
His financial skills have left us in a great position
His CEO skills less so.