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Re: Kirmond & Raleigh in, Murphy out. : Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:43 am  
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I would have liked to have kept him but players come and go. I can't remember there being this much aggro over Ellis and Solo who are/were twice the player that Murphy, although admirable in his own right, is

It's the way of life, until things improve substantially, and we are years away from that, but step by step I'm sure we'll get there.
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Re: Kirmond & Raleigh in, Murphy out. : Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:46 am  
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No offence but I doubt the integrity of your post. Classic troll for me.

sorry poptart but what wildcat 48 is saying is absolutely 100%. i personally know some of the people involved and his post is correct
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Re: Kirmond & Raleigh in, Murphy out. : Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:51 am  
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sorry poptart but what wildcat 48 is saying is absolutely 100%. i personally know some of the people involved and his post is correct

I think you're missing the point, it doesn't matter wether he's right or wrong.
What matters is, will we be in a better or worse place as a result of it?
And to be honest we won't know for certain until the end of next season, if we're not then people making the decisions will rightfully get some stick. If we are these criticisms will be forgotten.
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Re: Kirmond & Raleigh in, Murphy out. : Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:58 am  
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I think you're missing the point, it doesn't matter wether he's right or wrong.
What matters is, will we be in a better or worse place as a result of it?
And to be honest we won't know for certain until the end of next season, if we're not then people making the decisions will rightfully get some stick. If we are these criticisms will be forgotten.



I think the point being made isn't about the logic of the deal but the spin being put on why AM left the club. It seems that those in charge knew there'd be a backlash to Murphy leaving and so they've lied about him WANTING to go than them selling him against his wishes.
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Re: Kirmond & Raleigh in, Murphy out. : Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:01 am  
There has been talk for sometime of AM receiving a gift of a car from Hudds a while ago, can anyone shed any light on this?
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Re: Kirmond & Raleigh in, Murphy out. : Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:14 am  
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OK you are at it again, Smurph stayed this season becuase Hudds offered him a deal but would not have got their side this season, he accepetd the deal in the belief that Wakey would not get a franchise, hey presto we do

As I keep reminding you please go 8 miles :arrow: I am sure Cas would would welcome you invaluable input and magnificent support of your team
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Smurph wouldnt get infront of Grix??? Why dont you go to Cas seen as you are willing to see our young academy products go and see old crocks come in senior will be next mark my words ... Smurph did not want to go we could have kept him i dont believe for one instant smurph had made his mind up and wanted to go to the crows. Hes been pushed .. We are a feeder club.
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Re: Kirmond & Raleigh in, Murphy out. : Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:25 am  
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I think the point being made isn't about the logic of the deal but the spin being put on why AM left the club. It seems that those in charge knew there'd be a backlash to Murphy leaving and so they've lied about him WANTING to go than them selling him against his wishes.

I havent read any so I'm not sure, nor have I read anything from AM stating otherwise.
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Re: Kirmond & Raleigh in, Murphy out. : Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:45 am  
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This is my first post and i will be stating further facts later.
I felt i had to let people know the TRUE story instead of what Elston is stating about trying to keep him. (Total Rubbish - Thats how clubs work make it look like the player has no loyalty even though aaron proved last season he was loyal to the club)
Aaron did NOT want to go he was forced so the club could get a fee.Aaron made it 100% clear he wanted to stay and based on 2 new centres coming in, it was seen as a good bit of business by the club, whilst also getting 2 forwards as part of the deal. Rather than being honest they made it look like it was aaron's wish - It wasnt ! He is going against his wishes.
Tommy Lee has gone to Huddersfield on Agar's insistance because of issues with him at Hull.....and again another huddersfield cast off (Wood) to replace him too. Its a great move for Tommy as he clearly was not going to get a chance with agar based on the past so joining a top 6
club is a bonus for him.
Tongia wont be staying........unbelievably the people running the club could not see his potential last season and failed to offer him a contract prior to other clubs being alerted so he is gone, morro on his way out another cost cutting exercise replced by Hull reject. compare morro to his replacement......what a joke.
Why are the club getting rid of better players and replacing them with Giants cast off's ? its laughable.
Andrew Glover.....great bloke, heart in the club but being advised by the wrong people.
and one last quote based on the above post........under Agar no youngsters will get any gametime next season thats how it is with him. welcome to the Agar Era.......Hull FC cant believe their good fortune.


There are many points in this that are untrue. Fact
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Re: Kirmond & Raleigh in, Murphy out. : Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:06 am  
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Smurph wouldnt get infront of Grix??? Why dont you go to Cas seen as you are willing to see our young academy products go and see old crocks come in senior will be next mark my words ... Smurph did not want to go we could have kept him i dont believe for one instant smurph had made his mind up and wanted to go to the crows. Hes been pushed .. We are a feeder club.



I see you have thoroughly read the press release like I say Cas :arrow: 8 miles crack on and support them
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Re: Kirmond & Raleigh in, Murphy out. : Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:09 am  
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sorry poptart but what wildcat 48 is saying is absolutely 100%. i personally know some of the people involved and his post is correct


As I've posted what seems like a million times already, it's an error to believe that what players or their WAG's, Dads or favourite Uncles tell you is 100% factual; much like the messages that come out of the club, their version of events is based on their own perceptions, opinions and whatever spin they want to convey when they tell you the story.

In this instance, as in almost every other, I'd suggest that the truth is somewhere in the middle of the various versions of events that people have conveyed; some may not agree with the end result, but it's folly to believe that anyone has acted in anything than their own best interests, and that includes the player, his agent and both of the clubs involved.

What most agree on is that Murphy decided to play out the season with WTW during the infamous 'vulture-gate' episode; good for him, it showed class and loyalty and certainly helped our season be marginally less disastrous than it could have been. The rest we'll never know, as it involves wrangling and negotiations between the player and various stakeholders and is, ultimately, private and confidential; the two clubs and the agent won't talk about the details and for mine, neither should the player or his friends and family - it's a bit sordid and disrespectful.

Going forward, I hope we're in a position to be holding on to promising local players like Murphy but in the meantime, as seems to be the case here, I hope that when they do move on to the bright lights of Uncle Ken's monied emporium, they do so in a way that represents good business for WTW; if we're going to replace the Shudds academy set-up, let's at least make them pay top dollar.
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