Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:14 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

I find some of the comments quite amazing. We lost a game get over it, we will lose others. I now read that you believe Agar selected Keinhorst because he knew he would only last 20mins leaving us a player short. I begin to wonder if we do have the most negative supporters of any team or just a higher percentage who post on the forum.

I guess our next coach should be Mystic Meg so that we will be in a position to predict what's going to happen so that we can pick the squad accordingly.

Go to the games hard working people paid plenty to watch that tripe Sunday.

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:12 pm  

[quote="PopTart"]

i was using ellis as an example of ,in my opinion,his poor judgement . perhaps he is only willing to give players he brought in a fair crack - again to use the worst example washbrook.
his two and a bit years in charge have been mainly AWFUL , apart from the 7 game run - which again,in my opinion , was not down to him but him having to play players he didn`t rate due to injuries.
i am not absolving the players on sunday of any blame , all i want as a fan is maximum effort and it wasn`t there.
again ,dropping players for an important league game for an experiment is just plain STUPID and i think anyone would find it hard to convince most fans otherwise.

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:10 pm  

Why do you assume I didn't go to the game and spend my hard earned money. The fact over the many years I have watched Wakefield I have seen much worse performances. I guess I am more pragmatic than some on here but you should never mistake this for a desire not to see Wakefield win every game.
The arguments about Agar's success being based on 7 games could equally apply to the period Kear was in charge, the run we had when Harbin coached the team. I know we were bad on Sunday but do you think the amount of bile on display is because we expect more from the team we have. I remember many poor games during the Kear era when the total game plan was 5 barges and a kick. The problem then was that we knew that it would be the same game plan the following week until Solomona came along.

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:53 pm  

[quote="Scarlet Pimpernell"]win every game.
The arguments about Agar's success being based on 7 games could equally apply to the period Kear was in charge,

even if i accept that statement - as i said with agar it happened by accident! don`t forget it was a few more than 7 games when we finished 5th under kear. if agar turns it round i will be the first to come on here and admit i was wrong - but i don`t think i`ll have to . unfortunately with agar in charge i can`t be optimistic about the remainder of the season and believe me i hope i`m wrong.

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:05 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

Why do you assume I didn't go to the game and spend my hard earned money. The fact over the many years I have watched Wakefield I have seen much worse performances. I guess I am more pragmatic than some on here but you should never mistake this for a desire not to see Wakefield win every game.
The arguments about Agar's success being based on 7 games could equally apply to the period Kear was in charge, the run we had when Harbin coached the team. I know we were bad on Sunday but do you think the amount of bile on display is because we expect more from the team we have. I remember many poor games during the Kear era when the total game plan was 5 barges and a kick. The problem then was that we knew that it would be the same game plan the following week until Solomona came along.

Rubbish. Agar changed a team playing well. We are very equal to Hull Kr if not better we were 44.0 down you plum.Agar finished 11th last year with a excellent team. I'm not judging him on 7 games I've judged him for 3 years now. First season excellent 2nd poor 3rd poor so far errors the same.

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:10 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

Why do you assume I didn't go to the game and spend my hard earned money. The fact over the many years I have watched Wakefield I have seen much worse performances. I guess I am more pragmatic than some on here but you should never mistake this for a desire not to see Wakefield win every game.
The arguments about Agar's success being based on 7 games could equally apply to the period Kear was in charge, the run we had when Harbin coached the team. I know we were bad on Sunday but do you think the amount of bile on display is because we expect more from the team we have. I remember many poor games during the Kear era when the total game plan was 5 barges and a kick. The problem then was that we knew that it would be the same game plan the following week until Solomona came along.

Ah that old chestnut of Kears only tactic was 5 drives and a kick. The comment of the clueless man. The only time these tactics were employed on anything approaching a regular basis was his last season in 2011 when the team he had was, quite frankly, dire and the players didn't have the capability to play any other way. Yet that team still didn't get the wooden spoon. Most seasons we played good stuff, especially 08 & 09 when Brough was pulling the strings.

Agar deserves more time yet but his mask is slipping and he needs now to start making improvements and getting results.

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:35 pm  

Wakey Til I Die wrote:

Ah that old chestnut of Kears only tactic was 5 drives and a kick. The comment of the clueless man. The only time these tactics were employed on anything approaching a regular basis was his last season in 2011 when the team he had was, quite frankly, dire and the players didn't have the capability to play any other way. Yet that team still didn't get the wooden spoon. Most seasons we played good stuff, especially 08 & 09 when Brough was pulling the strings.

Agar deserves more time yet but his mask is slipping and he needs now to start making improvements and getting results.

All at the expense of anything and everything that didn't concern 1st team matters, in particular the youth set up which is still trying to recover from the John Kear years!

He did the job in 2006 but after that his tenure as head coach was all fur coat and no knickers

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:07 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

All at the expense of anything and everything that didn't concern 1st team matters, in particular the youth set up which is still trying to recover from the John Kear years!

He did the job in 2006 but after that his tenure as head coach was all fur coat and no knickers

The youth set up is a different argument and whilst you may well have a valid point Agars team choices are no better in that regard.

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:24 pm  

Can't quite make my mind up on this one, because in one sense it is contradictory.

The disappointment about Sunday was because we had played so well in the previous three games. So we are playing well this year. The disappointment about Bradford was because our team had looked promising against Salford.

So out of the games so far, we had played well and lost against two sides thought to be better than ours (one of which is still unbeaten), and had played well and won against two poor sides (one of which has now shown itself to be a decent side).

So on the season as a whole, our form has been good. The frustration is that of the two games when we have been rubbish, Bradford and Hull KR, they have been games that are crucial to our survival.

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:32 pm  

The youth set up is THE most vital area of the club, especially our club because we don't have the money to buy in top class players. As a sport we can't compete with RUs money and we can't lure the best or even second best Players from down under anymore. The only way forward is to grow your own and in that regard Agar is light years beyond Kear who simply wasn't interested in anything below the SL team. As a result the whole structure of youth development was destroyed and but for Tony Drury and his GF Winning Academy the club was a laughing stock. Agars been nothing but supportive of the structures below his first team and is a big advocate of creating a pathway through for the young ones.

Be careful what you wish for is all I'm saying!