on your calculations have you accounted for removal of the nasties that will no doubt be present ie asbestos, I was told even the tarmac behind the flats can't be recycled and he told me he quoted for removal of the flats was 1/2 million just to clear the ground, So lets take this a little further, you can see by this photo of this structure at the Millmoor ground
.https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+M ... -1.3702465 the skeleton of the stand, its a basic canter lever stand that then enables the view without stanchions at the front, also it makes its own corridor that fans can make their way to the stand and facilities with in it. now take your quote and imagine setting up your own company with the skills to complete the task in hand, I know where there is possibly a building coming up for rent with overhead crane spot on that could do this, now I might not be up on stadium builds but I do know that the skeleton build for the west stand like the one in the photos wouldn't take much more than a few months to knock together and could you imagine the saving on a self build
Yeah I put a 500k contingency in but I don’t doubt it could be more. I absolutely get the self build idea which I think Fev have done and if we can do it I’m in though painting is my only skill.
As I say it’s all hyperthetical and I’m not suggesting my quick doodle is scientific it’s rough to say the least, how could it be otherwise but it’s based on some real knowledge.
One of the reasons I didn’t suggest knocking the north terrace down was because I’m aware it’s highly contaminated which tends to make it a very expensive option.
I’ve actually mentioned Millmoor before on here and it’s not alone as there are a few others out there but it’s the best one granted. I believe the 80’s stand at the old Boulevard was available at one point. As more and more football clubs move to new stadiums quite a few fairly modern stand will become available for limited periods but timing is crucial.
I’m actually interested in any idea, self build, new builds and even temporary structures.
For now though we are just speculating which is harmless enough.
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on your calculations have you accounted for removal of the nasties that will no doubt be present ie asbestos, I was told even the tarmac behind the flats can't be recycled and he told me he quoted for removal of the flats was 1/2 million just to clear the ground, So lets take this a little further, you can see by this photo of this structure at the Millmoor ground
.https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+M ... -1.3702465 the skeleton of the stand, its a basic canter lever stand that then enables the view without stanchions at the front, also it makes its own corridor that fans can make their way to the stand and facilities with in it. now take your quote and imagine setting up your own company with the skills to complete the task in hand, I know where there is possibly a building coming up for rent with overhead crane spot on that could do this, now I might not be up on stadium builds but I do know that the skeleton build for the west stand like the one in the photos wouldn't take much more than a few months to knock together and could you imagine the saving on a self build
Yeah I put a 500k contingency in but I don’t doubt it could be more. I absolutely get the self build idea which I think Fev have done and if we can do it I’m in though painting is my only skill.
As I say it’s all hyperthetical and I’m not suggesting my quick doodle is scientific it’s rough to say the least, how could it be otherwise but it’s based on some real knowledge.
One of the reasons I didn’t suggest knocking the north terrace down was because I’m aware it’s highly contaminated which tends to make it a very expensive option.
I’ve actually mentioned Millmoor before on here and it’s not alone as there are a few others out there but it’s the best one granted. I believe the 80’s stand at the old Boulevard was available at one point. As more and more football clubs move to new stadiums quite a few fairly modern stand will become available for limited periods but timing is crucial.
I’m actually interested in any idea, self build, new builds and even temporary structures.
For now though we are just speculating which is harmless enough.
Yeah I put a 500k contingency in but I don’t doubt it could be more. I absolutely get the self build idea which I think Fev have done and if we can do it I’m in though painting is my only skill.
As I say it’s all hyperthetical and I’m not suggesting my quick doodle is scientific it’s rough to say the least, how could it be otherwise but it’s based on some real knowledge.
One of the reasons I didn’t suggest knocking the north terrace down was because I’m aware it’s highly contaminated which tends to make it a very expensive option.
I’ve actually mentioned Millmoor before on here and it’s not alone as there are a few others out there but it’s the best one granted. I believe the 80’s stand at the old Boulevard was available at one point. As more and more football clubs move to new stadiums quite a few fairly modern stand will become available for limited periods but timing is crucial.
I’m actually interested in any idea, self build, new builds and even temporary structures.
For now though we are just speculating which is harmless enough.
well my body might not be up to the riggers of putting it together but I could over see the structure no problems, I'm sure Mr Brown would know some contacts who helped before for the ground works,
we could have both the east and west stands looking similar and with boxes too, north stand is going to be the one that's difficult to do.
The North stand banking has to be taken away to pitch level in order to have a complete new start, it also releases more currently unused land behind the stand, up to the perimeter wall. Covered standing area with commercial facilities (bars, eateries, shop, offices, rooms for hire etc) underneath would bring in enhanced income streams both on match and non match days. (My understanding is that the North stand banking is too unstable for major development).
The North stand banking has to be taken away to pitch level in order to have a complete new start, it also releases more currently unused land behind the stand, up to the perimeter wall. Covered standing area with commercial facilities (bars, eateries, shop, offices, rooms for hire etc) underneath would bring in enhanced income streams both on match and non match days. (My understanding is that the North stand banking is too unstable for major development).
The north stand cannot be developed as it is that’s true however it doesn’t have to be got rid of either - it can have the terracing reinstated and made good - I have actually been told the cost of this from someone whose quoted on it though tbh that was a bit back. Sadly if money were tight the north terrace other than a tidy up would be the bottom of my list.
Ps I believe the nort stand was underpinned in the late 1990, sand further remedial work has taken place since. How relevant that is to now I’m not sure.
Tidy up!!! The north terrace, go and have a look at the patchwork that has been carried out regularly over the years to keep it usable both the standing blocks and what they are laid on are the problem and it is called 'past there best'. I doubt that there has been any underpinning, no doubt you are thinking of the installation of the new crush/surge barriers at the start of Wakefields SL era.
The club and it's volunteers have kept the stadium open through hard work and inventiveness at some point that becomes impractical and you have to stop. 'Tidy up' just another sticking plaster over a problem and it is not the answer and will not meet any legal requirements.
As many have said the East stand is a priority, work could even begin with the stand as it is intact ala Anfield's main but on a much smaller scale. Next would be the Western Terrace which should be a pitch length new simple concrete terrace with a new roof and would be changed back to the home section only. I've heard of a collaspe at somepoint on the concrete on the north terrace so it would likely be better to level it and start again. Crush what concrete that can be refused as a base for new structures and bury contam at depth or pay for the off siting of it, cheaper in the first option but will still need specialist contractors who aren't cheap. The hospitality would be last.
I assume if/when the rumoured freehold buy back is done,it will be for the whole site rather than just the rugby ground. If so there is always the option to nudge the ground east 10m or so to give a larger footprint for the western terrace.
Tidy up!!! The north terrace, go and have a look at the patchwork that has been carried out regularly over the years to keep it usable both the standing blocks and what they are laid on are the problem and it is called 'past there best'. I doubt that there has been any underpinning, no doubt you are thinking of the installation of the new crush/surge barriers at the start of Wakefields SL era.
The club and it's volunteers have kept the stadium open through hard work and inventiveness at some point that becomes impractical and you have to stop. 'Tidy up' just another sticking plaster over a problem and it is not the answer and will not meet any legal requirements.
Wow aren’t you the expert despite not explaining where your depth of knowledge comes from. I’ve already told you when it was done though I never pretended to know the exact level but hey you know it all so who the hell am I, someone who’s just sleep walked through the last 30 years.
Tidy up is just an expression by the way, stop being such a pedant it’s always the first sign of someone losing the debate.
You’re welcome to your opinion which seems to be all it is, I’ll stick with what I know. Have a nice day, that’s just an expression in case you’re wondering.
I am just responding to your comments, the underpinning is not correct it was the installation of crush/surge barriers a very different procedure to underpinning. I have challenged your use of the phrase 'tidy up' as a poor response to a very dilapidated section and is not suitable for repair nor a tidy up, rebuild/redevelop is the answer
Health and Safety is my career not an interest I have worked with several RL clubs on both sides of the Pennines, one RU club in the North East, and several lower league football. I have also worked with three SAG teams and planners.
We are all entitled to an opinion often base on facts we are also allowed to challenge other peoples views and comments, your defensive responses to any challenge to someone not agreeing with you is noticeable.
Your last sentence kindly teliing me that I am entitled to an opinion which you quite rightly point out thats what it is, my opinion based on information from other sources, are you suggesting that what you are saying is all fact and not an opinion or do you believe your opinion is better than mine or the others that you have taken to task.
It seems to me that as you both have expertise and interest in a subject we all want to know about it would be better swapping ideas rather than scoring points. You could both be valuable if the changes ever happen Just my opinion though.
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