Re: 19 V 'ull : Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:56 am  

Hull slowed the play down alot but we're simply not good enough. At the moment we offer nothing going forward (unless Daves on the field), too many balls taken from stand still and nobody looking to support half the time. Neither Brough or Miller delivering the goods at the mo, so for me it'd be going back to Miller & Hamsphire in the halves and put Escare at full back. Still lacking intent and aggression in defense bar one or two players.

Re: 19 V 'ull : Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:01 am  

It's seems the consensus from most of us is the attacking play is dreadful, Flat lines and poor passing play are making us so easy to defend against.
Not quite sure why everybody blaming miller for most of the poor play i must be watching a different game then, Lack of any angle runs or combinations set plays have dried up we should be doing so much better with the players at our disposal it's criminal.

And we bring in Morgan escare and put him on the wing were he looked bored shztless until he got the ball he was the only one i thought that showed a bit of class looking dangerous looking for gaps or someone to run into one, If chester doesn't want to play Max's at fb then put rocky at fb and m escare in the halves we would have great pace in the halves and a possible a very good combo with rocky in support of escare.

Unfortunately it's not working with Danny brough he's getting targeted all the time a bit like pauli pauli so things need to change now because we are running out of games to put it right.

Re: 19 V 'ull : Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:13 am  

acko wrote:

It's seems the consensus from most of us is the attacking play is dreadful, Flat lines and poor passing play are making us so easy to defend against.
Not quite sure why everybody blaming miller for most of the poor play i must be watching a different game then, Lack of any angle runs or combinations set plays have dried up we should be doing so much better with the players at our disposal it's criminal.

And we bring in Morgan escare and put him on the wing were he looked bored shztless until he got the ball he was the only one i thought that showed a bit of class looking dangerous looking for gaps or someone to run into one, If chester doesn't want to play Max's at fb then put rocky at fb and m escare in the halves we would have great pace in the halves and a possible a very good combo with rocky in support of escare.

Unfortunately it's not working with Danny brough he's getting targeted all the time a bit like pauli pauli so things need to change now because we are running out of games to put it right.

My thoughts too.

Re: 19 V 'ull : Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:02 am  

I was there yesterday supporting Hull FC. Of course we know Miller and Brough well. Brough for a short while was a cup winning influence for us. Miller much later, was the great hope who was just too young for SL when we had him.
I'm aware that on this thread Miller is getting a lot of stick. But yesterday he was the half who I saw as the main threat from you. But a 6 sometimes needs runners off him and that doesn't seem to be happening with Trin. If it did then it would keep opposing defences honest because they're covering all the options a lively 6 has.
The lack of runners means that we just had to snag Miller and the threat is nulled. It makes him look a worse player because we don't have to worry about the non-existent decoy runners. Just scrag Miller.
It wasnt so long ago Miller was an outstanding player for Trin with Finn at 7 the perfect foil for him. Miller looked very good and Trinity were playing some great stuff. He had many plaudits and he is the same player today really, but something around him has changed.
Danny Brough has been a great player, but the clock has ticked on and he just isn't great anymore, far from it in fact. Its hard for him I guess because he's been a Captain and organiser but these days all of his skills and threats are much less than they were.
Yesterday he didn't register for me as any kind of threat concern and I wasn't even sure he was really switched on. De-motivated so to speak.
If Danny had been released at the end of last season he wouldn't have got a gig with any other Super League club, but you gave him another run and your paying the price now. Just a gamble gone wrong, it happens.

In Miller you have a player, you've all seen it. On occasions he was winning some games on his own.
Its not an age thing with Milky, its organisational and its playing with the right partner. I thought Brough could be a perfect replacement for Finn, but he's not. He still wants to be the game breaker but he's not got it now. Infact he's nowhere near being that player these days.
In the Championship maybe he could be.
I think you all know what the negative catalyst is.

Re: 19 V 'ull : Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:34 am  

Well that was awful; despite Hull doing their level best to gift us an unassailable lead in the first half (how many knock-ons/handling errors?!) we just refused to capitalise. We used the same tired move near the line every time, with Kopczak running an entirely predictable line, and when that didn't work, we reverted to a Brough kick to nowt, which yielded nothing. Miller seems intent on booking Tanganoa a berth at Pinderfields with that ridiculous short pass, and when your toughest, most hardworking forward is a terminally crocked Danny Kirmond, you know you're in bother.

For me, Brough needs to sit down for the rest of the season, and we go with a spine of Escare at FB, Miller and Hampshire at 6 and 7 and Kershaw on one wing - at least that way, we have pace; I'm not entirely sure what we're expecting Atkins to bring, but Toups doesn't look fit, so maybe that's a straight swap; and Big Dave should be thanked, but sat down - it's not fair to wheel him out when he's very obviously on one leg, trying to win the game on his own.

All in all, I wish I'd stayed at home and nursed my hangover, which I suspect is what PP was doing, judging by the state he was in on Saturday night.

Re: 19 V 'ull : Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:47 am  

bren2k wrote:

For me, Brough needs to sit down for the rest of the season, and we go with a spine of Escare at FB, Miller and Hampshire at 6 and 7 and Kershaw on one wing - at least that way, we have pace; I'm not entirely sure what we're expecting Atkins to bring, but Toups doesn't look fit, so maybe that's a straight swap;
All in all, I wish I'd stayed at home and nursed my hangover, .

Tupou still offered/offers more than Lyne. The rest I think all, bar Chris Chester, would agree with.

Re: 19 V 'ull : Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:20 am  

Hull in peace.

For me Wakey suffered up front, Big Dave was not at his best and was passing the ball rather than running, leaving Pauli out, who has caused us problems every time he plays suited us. So the halves get the usual bashing.

Re: 19 V 'ull : Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:26 am  

Riderofthepalehorse wrote:

Hull in peace.

For me Wakey suffered up front, Big Dave was not at his best and was passing the ball rather than running, leaving Pauli out, who has caused us problems every time he plays suited us. So the halves get the usual bashing.

Unfortunately Pauli seems to have burned his bridges with us. We just haven't seen the form and effort from him that's required, Big Dave is playing on a fractured foot and it shows.

Re: 19 V 'ull : Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:29 am  

Riderofthepalehorse wrote:

Hull in peace.

For me Wakey suffered up front, Big Dave was not at his best and was passing the ball rather than running, leaving Pauli out, who has caused us problems every time he plays suited us. So the halves get the usual bashing.

Big Dave has been playing for weeks with a broken bone in his foot.

Re: 19 V 'ull : Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:35 am  

wakeytrin wrote:

Big Dave has been playing for weeks with a broken bone in his foot.

I know, and it’s commendable, but it lessens his impact, consequently your halves don’t have the go forward they need.