Re: Wakefield - Contracted Players : Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:00 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

I've said many times that I like Hampshire as a player and he can cover numerous positions.
However, he has been offered a contract in each of the last two seasons and not taken it, wanting a better offer on both occasions.
Now, NOBODY can blame anyone for wanting more brass but from Trinity's point of view, I'm sure that they made an offer which they believed was fair and they gave Hampshire a deadline, which passed without Hampshire taking the offer.
Of course, none of us know what happened in the interim period as regard contact with agents, the player and the club and it's always sad to see any local player allowed to leave but, what are the club supposed to do.
Should they "cave in" to higher wage demands, which would give them problems with other players somewhere down the line or, should they cover their position with a different player ?
Walker from London, looks like a useful FB, maybe better in that position than Hampshire and if this proves to be the case then, where is the problem ?

Out of interest, if you were picking the team and putting the squad together, would you offer increased contracts to every player that knocked on your door and risk Trinity going bust, again or, would you rather be a bit canny in the transfer market and balance the books.

I know which I would do.

I’ve no great wish to perpetuate this fairly pointless debate but...

I’d say your right, Walker looks more accomplished at FB than Hampshire who was not a specialist FB and always made it clear he wanted the HB roll.

Walker looks more than capable of playing on the wing, far more so than Jowitt who looks more like a possible S/O.

Hampshire definitely offered a HB option that Walker as far as I’m aware doesn’t. However we don’t know who the other potential signings are and until we do I’m not sure we can really comment on losing Hampshire potential at HB. We may end up with a better player in that position.

One thing seems certain, Hampshire feels he’s a HB, many fans do, however none of his coaches since joining the senior ranks seem to think he is which begs the question what do they know that we don’t?

We may lose an individual talent in Hampshire but on the other hand we may end up with a better balanced team.

Re: Wakefield - Contracted Players : Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:02 pm  

Having given significantly improved deals in the last 12 months to Tom, bill, Reece, Dave, woody, and T and offerred numerous deals with minimum 20% increase to said player, I’m at a loss as to what else the board is expected to do, whilst balancing the books?

Re: Wakefield - Contracted Players : Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:31 pm  

Daddycool wrote:

Having given significantly improved deals in the last 12 months to Tom, bill, Reece, Dave, woody, and T and offerred numerous deals with minimum 20% increase to said player, I’m at a loss as to what else the board is expected to do, whilst balancing the books?

No dispute from me Michael that you have assembled a very good squad whilst putting the club on a stable footing and you certainly have my thanks for that. The players you mention are all key players for us and certainly worthy of their new deals.

My personal opinion (and it is just that) is that the 2 year deal for Brough was a mistake (certainly a year too far) as I would imagine we have a reasonable sum tied up in that deal, which would have been better spent on retaining a versatile player like Hampshire and a new (and much younger but still experienced) HB than Brough.

However, I confess I do not know who the remaining signings are and when revealed, they may mean that my view on retaining Hampshire change

Re: Wakefield - Contracted Players : Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:32 pm  

Daddycool wrote:

Having given significantly improved deals in the last 12 months to Tom, bill, Reece, Dave, woody, and T and offerred numerous deals with minimum 20% increase to said player, I’m at a loss as to what else the board is expected to do, whilst balancing the books?

Nothing, I think most of us realise that.

Frankly I’m far more interested in who’s coming in not who’s going out. Personally I support Wakefield Trinity, not Rayan Hampshire, not Dave Fifita, not Michael Carter (no offence).

I’ll be there in February or whenever it starts and I’ll be supporting the 17 players on the park wearing the RW&B and I’ll start making my own judgements from there for what they are worth.

Good luck for next season and I’ll be supporting the club as best I can.

Re: Wakefield - Contracted Players : Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:34 pm  

Daddycool wrote:

Having given significantly improved deals in the last 12 months to Tom, bill, Reece, Dave, woody, and T and offerred numerous deals with minimum 20% increase to said player, I’m at a loss as to what else the board is expected to do, whilst balancing the books?

Thanks for the insight. I think the club did it's best working within certain constraints to retain RH. Club moves on.

Re: Wakefield - Contracted Players : Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:40 pm  

Tricky2309 wrote:

No dispute from me Michael that you have assembled a very good squad whilst putting the club on a stable footing and you certainly have my thanks for that. The players you mention are all key players for us and certainly worthy of their new deals.

My personal opinion (and it is just that) is that the 2 year deal for Brough was a mistake (certainly a year too far) as I would imagine we have a reasonable sum tied up in that deal, which would have been better spent on retaining a versatile player like Hampshire and a new (and much younger but still experienced) HB than Brough.

However, I confess I do not know who the remaining signings are and when revealed, they may mean that my view on retaining Hampshire change

It would be interesting to hear your definition of ‘reasonable sum’? This is at the heart of all discussions regarding whether a player is value for money, and yet no one knows a players salary, and therefore, surely it follows that it’s very difficult to say whether a player is value for money or not without that information wouldn’t it?

Re: Wakefield - Contracted Players : Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:48 pm  

We really need the Hampshire entourage to let go now and move on.

Re: Wakefield - Contracted Players : Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:31 pm  

I fully support DC and the club. We don't want the club to go back to silly contracts. The club will have put a value on each player and are sticking to this.

Re: Wakefield - Contracted Players : Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:36 pm  

Daddycool wrote:

It would be interesting to hear your definition of ‘reasonable sum’? This is at the heart of all discussions regarding whether a player is value for money, and yet no one knows a players salary, and therefore, surely it follows that it’s very difficult to say whether a player is value for money or not without that information wouldn’t it?

I agree we fans don’t know the players salaries and nor should we.

It is just my opinion that giving a two year deal to a player who can only play one position and who is nowhere near the player he was, was a mistake when we are working with a limited budget. In this particular instance, my view is using the Brough money as part of a package for Hampshire who can cover 3 positions to a decent standard and stays relatively injury free and has many years ahead of him plus another HB would have been a better way to go

As I said before, my view may change when the full makeup of the 2020 squad is known

Re: Wakefield - Contracted Players : Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:42 pm  

wakeytrin wrote:

I fully support DC and the club. We don't want the club to go back to silly contracts. The club will have put a value on each player and are sticking to this.

But you don’t know what contract was offered and what Hampshire asked for, so no evidence he was after silly money.

BTW, I did not agree with the interview that Hampshire gave to the press on his contract issues and think any chance of a deal been agreed was over after it.

My final point is a general one in that this is a forum for fans to express opinions on players etc. and we can still support the club generally whilst at the same time not agreeing with certain decisions on player ins/outs