Re: Wigan @ home Friday : Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:46 pm  

Always liked Dagger at Leigh and was disappointed when hearing that he was Humberside bound. With him not playing there, assumed his form or fitness had gone en forme de poire, but still didn't like him being dismissed. This weekend he's a hero. Next week?

Huddersfield have played their part in a great weekend for Leigh. Thanks to them for that but now you can stuff 'em.

Re: Wigan @ home Friday : Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:36 pm  

PopTart wrote:

That isn't the reason.
We wanted a fullback. We tried for Shaul, Escare and Dagger.
Shaul and Escare was a flat no.
Hull KR saw an opportunity and took advantage as we'd already turned down their bid for Hall twice.
Mash decided he needed Dagger badly enough as he also gave us other position flexibility when Max came back. Covering Gaskell's intended role.
We and Hall agreed to the deal and the rest is history.

All this was explained in public more than once.

This is the same Shaul who was ready to sign for us after his loan but we changed our mind because we only had the money for one player and our coach wanted a forward. I don’t think it is surprising he did not want to join us part way through the season.
With regards Dagger it was considered at the time that we had been out negotiated because at the time you would expect Dagger and a transfer for Hall. Hull KR knew we had no money after all we told people often enough which gave them a strong bargaining position to do the deal they did.

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Re: Wigan @ home Friday : Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:55 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

This is the same Shaul who was ready to sign for us after his loan but we changed our mind because we only had the money for one player and our coach wanted a forward. I don’t think it is surprising he did not want to join us part way through the season.
With regards Dagger it was considered at the time that we had been out negotiated because at the time you would expect Dagger and a transfer for Hall. Hull KR knew we had no money after all we told people often enough which gave them a strong bargaining position to do the deal they did.

I didn't say he didn't want to come. Smith also publicly said he wanted to keep him.

You are welcome to draw your conclusions as you see fit.
I'm just telling you what all the people involved, on both sides have said.

Re: Wigan @ home Friday : Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:56 pm  

Bent&Bongser wrote:

Always liked Dagger at Leigh and was disappointed when hearing that he was Humberside bound. With him not playing there, assumed his form or fitness had gone en forme de poire, but still didn't like him being dismissed. This weekend he's a hero. Next week?

Huddersfield have played their part in a great weekend for Leigh. Thanks to them for that but now you can stuff 'em.

In fairness, he's been excellent since he came here, playing in every position in the backs and all to a good standard.
Friday was just exceptional and his goal kicking was of the highest order, with a drop goal too.

Our biggest problem will be where to play him if/when we have something close to a fully fit squad.

I'm happy to admit not wanting him in place of hall but, he's more than proved the doubters wrong and deserves the credit that he's getting.

Re: Wigan @ home Friday : Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:02 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Our biggest problem will be where to play him if/when we have something close to a fully fit squad.
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Dagger for me plays 6 regardless of who is fit.

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Re: Wigan @ home Friday : Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:41 am  

Prince Buster wrote:

You are a bit out of the loop, of course he is already having an influence ,he has some good people around him giving him advice. He is not stupid enough to blindly hand over money and not influence how it is spent.

I checked the details on this.
The deals for Fifita and Gale were done well before the new guy put his money forward. That's in public print.

His money, that the current guys negotiated, helped with new signings like the French guys (and I guess paying off the two that left - though I don't actually know that).
Of course for such a large amount he's bound to be consulted but he isn't in the driving seat yet.
Just the same as all the other sponsors. You wouldn't expect 360 accountants or Asos to have an influence in how we spend their money.
One day that will change.

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Re: Wigan @ home Friday : Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:42 am  

jonh wrote:

Dagger for me plays 6 regardless of who is fit.

I agree. He's earned that shirt.

Re: Wigan @ home Friday : Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:53 am  

Hall clearly has potential but let's be honest he wasn't having much of an impact, no one was. Dagger is a game changer. It's worked out well for us!

Re: Wigan @ home Friday : Sun Jul 09, 2023 10:13 am  

Not wanting to defend the doom mongers PT, but Dave is sponsored by DIY Kitchens, which would make me presume that they, and by they I mean Ellis, is funding his wages, which for him to leave his family behind must be a pretty penny (and money very well spent I should add)

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Re: Wigan @ home Friday : Sun Jul 09, 2023 10:30 am  

burtonsrlfc wrote:

Not wanting to defend the doom mongers PT, but Dave is sponsored by DIY Kitchens, which would make me presume that they, and by they I mean Ellis, is funding his wages, which for him to leave his family behind must be a pretty penny (and money very well spent I should add)

The sponsorship doesn't pay his wages.
A sponsor gives money to the club to put their name against a players name.

The deal to get Dave on board was started way before Ellis was involved. Dave himself said it was talking to Applegarth that got him back.

The money from Ellis definitely arrived after Dave's deal.

I think there'll be a sponsor group forum soon so I'm sure that will be raised if you want more evidence than just my post.