Re: Leeds Rhinos - Sunday : Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:32 am  

Oddshapeball wrote:

Lost last 5 games by a total of 20 points! Not good enough. Need to find a way of closing a game out.

Two years ago, we were losing them by 20 points in each game.

I seem to remember it was similar last year, with games like Warrington away. Our problem this year is maybe that we can't slip under the radar anymore, because we're seen as a genuine top eight, and possible top four side. Teams no longer switch off when they come to Belle Vue.

Re: Leeds Rhinos - Sunday : Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:52 am  

Its not rocket science, we have good players who are giving it their best shot, our game plan was again poor yesterday. Right from the first set we started with fancy dan football, throwing the ball about. Whose bright idea was that, Leeds were missing several props and Sutcliffe was playing at 6 on one leg, for 60 minutes we should have hammered them around the ruck, simple one out drives, plenty of scoots, play field position. Instead with our expansive style we gifted them field position and their middle men who were either filling in or young inexperienced players were not pressured. We need to go to basics

Re: Leeds Rhinos - Sunday : Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:58 am  

bellycouldtackle wrote:

Its not rocket science, we have good players who are giving it their best shot, our game plan was again poor yesterday. Right from the first set we started with fancy dan football, throwing the ball about. Whose bright idea was that, Leeds were missing several props and Sutcliffe was playing at 6 on one leg, for 60 minutes we should have hammered them around the ruck, simple one out drives, plenty of scoots, play field position. Instead with our expansive style we gifted them field position and their middle men who were either filling in or young inexperienced players were not pressured. We need to go to basics

But people were royally entertained. Is rugby league in the entertainment business or winning business? It's a moot point.

Re: Leeds Rhinos - Sunday : Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:11 am  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

But people were royally entertained. Is rugby league in the entertainment business or winning business? It's a moot point.

Obviously we go down to Belle Vue to be entertained but how long will that last if we are relegated? #thinkinglikeboj

Re: Leeds Rhinos - Sunday : Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:29 am  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

But people were royally entertained. Is rugby league in the entertainment business or winning business? It's a moot point.

Sorry but although i like to see a great brand of rugby i would take an ugly 2 points any day. At times Wigan are god awful to watch, they slow the game down at the ruck, they are anti offload (even when its on) there set plays can be seen in the amateur game and they spend there time grinding down there opponents until they break... every now and then they throw the ball out to the flanks on an overlap and score a try that is pleasing to the eye.

To answer your question, this is a results business and whatever style of play makes us a hard team to beat is what we should be going with.

Re: Leeds Rhinos - Sunday : Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:01 am  

Despite some shocking calls from Kendal.
Penalising Pauli for grabbing both shoulders of the Leeds player and yet nothing given to Trinity for headshots on 3 of our players ??
The knock on AND offside by Leeds ruled play on ??
And Leeds knocking the ball forward and dead, ruled as a drop out for Trinity.
There were plenty of other calls which appeared to go against us.

Having said that, our leftside defence just looked kanckered for much of the second half which gave Leeds very easy metres.

Great comeback and Lyne, who was superb all afternoon, very nearly set up a winner. Although, tbf, Leeds looked well in control for much of the second half.

Hampshire looked realyl sharp and Lyne was my MoM but, Leeds were there for the taking yestreday and it was ultimately disappointing that we came second.

Re: Leeds Rhinos - Sunday : Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:07 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

it was ultimately disappointing that we came second.

Keeps happening against the quality sides doesn't it? Makes the early season talk of top 4 look distinctly premature - our retention is positive, recruitment a mixed bag (Horo is far from what his showreel promised and Pauli is taking a good while to get up to speed) and all round, we're probably pretty much where we were last season in terms of on-field quality - which means we'll probably make the 8's, but come a cropper when we face the decent sides; likewise CC - we'll have a run if we get some favourable draws early on, but stumble against the likes of Cas, Wigan, Saints etc.

I fundamentally disagree with Slugger's suggestion that entertainment trumps wins - ideally you want both, but I think most fans would take an ugly win over a classy defeat any day of the week.

Re: Leeds Rhinos - Sunday : Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:23 am  

bren2k wrote:

Keeps happening against the quality sides doesn't it? Makes the early season talk of top 4 look distinctly premature - our retention is positive, recruitment a mixed bag (Horo is far from what his showreel promised and Pauli is taking a good while to get up to speed) and all round, we're probably pretty much where we were last season in terms of on-field quality - which means we'll probably make the 8's, but come a cropper when we face the decent sides; likewise CC - we'll have a run if we get some favourable draws early on, but stumble against the likes of Cas, Wigan, Saints etc.

I fundamentally disagree with Slugger's suggestion that entertainment trumps wins - ideally you want both, but I think most fans would take an ugly win over a classy defeat any day of the week.

Have to agree.
As a neutral, an entertaining game trumps the result but, as Trinity fans, a win comes above all else.

FWIW, I think we will still keep winning the games that we "should" win, which hasn't happened for many a season but, it will eventually come down to beating some of the "top" sides.
Maybe it's a mental thing and we're not yet confident enough to have a real go and believe that we can beat them or, a bit of naivety but, each of our defeats has followed pretty much the same pattern. In front at HT and not able to cope with the "fire" in the opening 15 minutes of the second half.
Perhaps we should wipe the scoreboard blank and tell the players that it's been an intense warm up.
It is getting bloody frustrating though as we ARE good enough to beat these sides, we just havent managed it yet.

Re: Leeds Rhinos - Sunday : Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:40 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Have to agree.
As a neutral, an entertaining game trumps the result but, as Trinity fans, a win comes above all else.

FWIW, I think we will still keep winning the games that we "should" win, which hasn't happened for many a season but, it will eventually come down to beating some of the "top" sides.
Maybe it's a mental thing and we're not yet confident enough to have a real go and believe that we can beat them or, a bit of naivety but, each of our defeats has followed pretty much the same pattern. In front at HT and not able to cope with the "fire" in the opening 15 minutes of the second half.
Perhaps we should wipe the scoreboard blank and tell the players that it's been an intense warm up.
It is getting bloody frustrating though as we ARE good enough to beat these sides, we just havent managed it yet.

So true. Sometimes you have to come out in the second half and play as if your ten points down.

Re: Leeds Rhinos - Sunday : Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:02 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Despite some shocking calls from Kendal.
Penalising Pauli for grabbing both shoulders of the Leeds player and yet nothing given to Trinity for headshots on 3 of our players ??
The knock on AND offside by Leeds ruled play on ??
And Leeds knocking the ball forward and dead, ruled as a drop out for Trinity.
There were plenty of other calls which appeared to go against us.

Is every call that goes against Wakefield wrong and every call in their favour correct? You'd think Wakefield go 80 mins every week without any foul play.