Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:31 am  

Dunkirk Spirit wrote:

Sorry Snowie, but that remark was over the top, and shows just how obsessed with C-19 some people have become about death rates, and I may be giving away my identity with the following.1978, my first wife eight months pregnant with our second son, on her way to anti natal clinic, knocked down on a crossing, by a 17 year in a bakery van, both died the following day. As I’ve said before, thousands die every day including loved ones, but we all have to live a normal life outside this Covid bubble,, otherwise whats the point of living.

Sorry to hear about your family. No, before anyone says, I'm not here to garner support, genuinely feel for you.
Take care.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:46 am  

Miro wrote: You mean the John Hopkins University funded by The Bill and Melissa Gates foundation ? The same Bill Gates who is set to make a fortune from his c-19 vaccines ? The same Bill Gates behind agenda 201 ? Even the BBC Tell you what, get some figures from an organization NOT funded by Billy Gates. I tell you now, you'll find that quite difficult. Sue Desmond-Hellmann Johns Hopkins University Baltimore, MD quote from her speech "It’s also great to be here as CEO of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation." You know what they say "follow the money" https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Media-C ... University So RW&B nice sidestep, but what of this guys claims as quoted. Christopher John MacRae Whitty CB FRCP FFPH FMedSci Chief Medical Adviser to the UK Government, Chief Scientific Adviser (CSA) at the Department of Health and Social Care and Head of the National Institute for Health Research (NIHR).. You might want to try this link below then as well you can see all the references from each country around the world and where the figures are from you may not trust John Hopkins but the figures are based on what has been collected i.e facts. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#news Oh and don't give me the high and mighty I know better than you over Bill Gates, there is more than Just Chris Whitty in this world. What's your point with Bill Gates?

Miro wrote: You mean the John Hopkins University funded by The Bill and Melissa Gates foundation ? The same Bill Gates who is set to make a fortune from his c-19 vaccines ? The same Bill Gates behind agenda 201 ? Even the BBC Tell you what, get some figures from an organization NOT funded by Billy Gates. I tell you now, you'll find that quite difficult. Sue Desmond-Hellmann Johns Hopkins University Baltimore, MD quote from her speech "It’s also great to be here as CEO of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation." You know what they say "follow the money" https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Media-C ... University So RW&B nice sidestep, but what of this guys claims as quoted. Christopher John MacRae Whitty CB FRCP FFPH FMedSci Chief Medical Adviser to the UK Government, Chief Scientific Adviser (CSA) at the Department of Health and Social Care and Head of the National Institute for Health Research (NIHR).. You might want to try this link below then as well you can see all the references from each country around the world and where the figures are from you may not trust John Hopkins but the figures are based on what has been collected i.e facts. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#news Oh and don't give me the high and mighty I know better than you over Bill Gates, there is more than Just Chris Whitty in this world. What's your point with Bill Gates?

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:53 am  

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote: You might want to try this link below then as well you can see all the references from each country around the world and where the figures are from you may not trust John Hopkins but the figures are based on what has been collected i.e facts. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#news Oh and don't give me the high and mighty I know better than you over Bill Gates, there is more than Just Chris Whitty in this world. What's your point with Bill Gates? Another nice sidestep RW&B. Yes, lets ignore the words of the UK chief medical advisor and one of the leading lights behind this "pandemic" but hey ho. So,lets look at worldmeters. So the UK covid death figures percent of population...06% 99.94% still alive, 41,825 dead based on a population of almost 68,000,000 No new deaths reported. 22,390,038 million tests. Not far out was I? Funnily enough I could not get any flu figures on worldmeters However FLU In the UK 50,000 died due to the severe flu outbreak 2017 / 2018 Nick Stripe, head of health analysis and life events at the Office of National statistics (ONS), said: 'It is likely that last winter's (2018) increase was due to the predominant strain of flu, the effectiveness of the influenza vaccine and below-average winter temperatures.' The figures showed that excess winter mortality in 2017 to 2018 significantly increased in just one year in all English regions and Wales, with Wales showing the highest figures.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... break.html WOW!!! I mean, who knew??? Obviously those who died and my sympathy to the families of course. World wide 650,000 people die yearly of regular influenza IT'S THE FLU...

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote: You might want to try this link below then as well you can see all the references from each country around the world and where the figures are from you may not trust John Hopkins but the figures are based on what has been collected i.e facts. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#news Oh and don't give me the high and mighty I know better than you over Bill Gates, there is more than Just Chris Whitty in this world. What's your point with Bill Gates? Another nice sidestep RW&B. Yes, lets ignore the words of the UK chief medical advisor and one of the leading lights behind this "pandemic" but hey ho. So,lets look at worldmeters. So the UK covid death figures percent of population...06% 99.94% still alive, 41,825 dead based on a population of almost 68,000,000 No new deaths reported. 22,390,038 million tests. Not far out was I? Funnily enough I could not get any flu figures on worldmeters However FLU In the UK 50,000 died due to the severe flu outbreak 2017 / 2018 Nick Stripe, head of health analysis and life events at the Office of National statistics (ONS), said: 'It is likely that last winter's (2018) increase was due to the predominant strain of flu, the effectiveness of the influenza vaccine and below-average winter temperatures.' The figures showed that excess winter mortality in 2017 to 2018 significantly increased in just one year in all English regions and Wales, with Wales showing the highest figures.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... break.html WOW!!! I mean, who knew??? Obviously those who died and my sympathy to the families of course. World wide 650,000 people die yearly of regular influenza IT'S THE FLU...

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:13 pm  

Dunkirk Spirit wrote:

Sorry Snowie, but that remark was over the top, and shows just how obsessed with C-19 some people have become about death rates, and I may be giving away my identity with the following.1978, my first wife eight months pregnant with our second son, on her way to anti natal clinic, knocked down on a crossing, by a 17 year in a bakery van, both died the following day. As I’ve said before, thousands die every day including loved ones, but we all have to live a normal life outside this Covid bubble,, otherwise whats the point of living.

again you gone through a tragic situation that no one should of been through and my heart goes out to you, without getting into a argument there's difference between accidents and this pandemic which if we hadn't take some control in isolating it could of been far worse, no one can dispute that the infection rate is increasing mainly because of the lifting.

I'm sorry if your finding my remark was over the top also you too Miro but at least have some respect for the ones that have serious unlined problems when passing out death figures saying that its a acceptable rate, we all go at some time at least allow them their time

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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:53 pm  

Miro wrote: Another nice sidestep RW&B. Yes, lets ignore the words of the UK chief medical advisor and one of the leading lights behind this "pandemic" but hey ho. So,lets look at worldmeters. So the UK covid death figures percent of population...06% 99.94% still alive, 41,825 dead based on a population of almost 68,000,000 No new deaths reported. 22,390,038 million tests. Not far out was I? Funnily enough I could not get any flu figures on worldmeters However FLU In the UK 50,000 died due to the severe flu outbreak 2017 / 2018 Nick Stripe, head of health analysis and life events at the Office of National statistics (ONS), said: 'It is likely that last winter's (2018) increase was due to the predominant strain of flu, the effectiveness of the influenza vaccine and below-average winter temperatures.' The figures showed that excess winter mortality in 2017 to 2018 significantly increased in just one year in all English regions and Wales, with Wales showing the highest figures.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... break.html WOW!!! I mean, who knew??? Obviously those who died and my sympathy to the families of course. World wide 650,000 people die yearly of regular influenza IT'S THE FLU... With the amount of research you've done, I reckon you know those people didn't die solely of the flu.

Miro wrote: Another nice sidestep RW&B. Yes, lets ignore the words of the UK chief medical advisor and one of the leading lights behind this "pandemic" but hey ho. So,lets look at worldmeters. So the UK covid death figures percent of population...06% 99.94% still alive, 41,825 dead based on a population of almost 68,000,000 No new deaths reported. 22,390,038 million tests. Not far out was I? Funnily enough I could not get any flu figures on worldmeters However FLU In the UK 50,000 died due to the severe flu outbreak 2017 / 2018 Nick Stripe, head of health analysis and life events at the Office of National statistics (ONS), said: 'It is likely that last winter's (2018) increase was due to the predominant strain of flu, the effectiveness of the influenza vaccine and below-average winter temperatures.' The figures showed that excess winter mortality in 2017 to 2018 significantly increased in just one year in all English regions and Wales, with Wales showing the highest figures.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... break.html WOW!!! I mean, who knew??? Obviously those who died and my sympathy to the families of course. World wide 650,000 people die yearly of regular influenza IT'S THE FLU... With the amount of research you've done, I reckon you know those people didn't die solely of the flu.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:17 pm  

Miro wrote: Another nice sidestep RW&B. Yes, lets ignore the words of the UK chief medical advisor and one of the leading lights behind this "pandemic" but hey ho. So,lets look at worldmeters. So the UK covid death figures percent of population...06% 99.94% still alive, 41,825 dead based on a population of almost 68,000,000 No new deaths reported. 22,390,038 million tests. Not far out was I? Funnily enough I could not get any flu figures on worldmeters However FLU In the UK 50,000 died due to the severe flu outbreak 2017 / 2018 Nick Stripe, head of health analysis and life events at the Office of National statistics (ONS), said: 'It is likely that last winter's (2018) increase was due to the predominant strain of flu, the effectiveness of the influenza vaccine and below-average winter temperatures.' The figures showed that excess winter mortality in 2017 to 2018 significantly increased in just one year in all English regions and Wales, with Wales showing the highest figures.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... break.html WOW!!! I mean, who knew??? Obviously those who died and my sympathy to the families of course. World wide 650,000 people die yearly of regular influenza IT'S THE FLU... Wow your maths is incredible for such a person that thinks they are on the morale high ground with Prof Whitty! UK population according to you and your research is almost 68000000 with a UK death figure of 41,825 to date is about 0.07% as you say but this is where you lose the plot according to your esteemed mate Prof Whitty about 8% of the population have hd the virus thats 5,440,000 now take the death from that it becomes about .8% however the actual positive tests in the UK are much lower than this and at approximately 410,000 the current death rate is at 10%. I do not believe for one minute the death rate will be anything near 10% overall but your little crusade is totally flawed. I expect the death rate to be 2 or 3%. IT''S THE FLU you almost got that right its a strain of the same family. Just to help with your expertise here is a report from March 2020 it will assist you in your knowledge to understand the mortality rates at the time and the difference. https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing ... flu-update Public Health England published on the 11th March 2020 that it estimates that on average 17,000 people have died from the flu in England annually between 2014/15 and 2018/19. Obviously this is England and does not include the rest of the UK so it will be higher than this I have read your report from Nick Stripe in the Daily Fail dated in 2018 here is another one by him in June this year which do you put your faith in after all he does have a degree in Geography a Diploma in Economics and has worked in Market research. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52890515 I could go on but I have my view on it you clearly have yours.

Miro wrote: Another nice sidestep RW&B. Yes, lets ignore the words of the UK chief medical advisor and one of the leading lights behind this "pandemic" but hey ho. So,lets look at worldmeters. So the UK covid death figures percent of population...06% 99.94% still alive, 41,825 dead based on a population of almost 68,000,000 No new deaths reported. 22,390,038 million tests. Not far out was I? Funnily enough I could not get any flu figures on worldmeters However FLU In the UK 50,000 died due to the severe flu outbreak 2017 / 2018 Nick Stripe, head of health analysis and life events at the Office of National statistics (ONS), said: 'It is likely that last winter's (2018) increase was due to the predominant strain of flu, the effectiveness of the influenza vaccine and below-average winter temperatures.' The figures showed that excess winter mortality in 2017 to 2018 significantly increased in just one year in all English regions and Wales, with Wales showing the highest figures.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... break.html WOW!!! I mean, who knew??? Obviously those who died and my sympathy to the families of course. World wide 650,000 people die yearly of regular influenza IT'S THE FLU... Wow your maths is incredible for such a person that thinks they are on the morale high ground with Prof Whitty! UK population according to you and your research is almost 68000000 with a UK death figure of 41,825 to date is about 0.07% as you say but this is where you lose the plot according to your esteemed mate Prof Whitty about 8% of the population have hd the virus thats 5,440,000 now take the death from that it becomes about .8% however the actual positive tests in the UK are much lower than this and at approximately 410,000 the current death rate is at 10%. I do not believe for one minute the death rate will be anything near 10% overall but your little crusade is totally flawed. I expect the death rate to be 2 or 3%. IT''S THE FLU you almost got that right its a strain of the same family. Just to help with your expertise here is a report from March 2020 it will assist you in your knowledge to understand the mortality rates at the time and the difference. https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing ... flu-update Public Health England published on the 11th March 2020 that it estimates that on average 17,000 people have died from the flu in England annually between 2014/15 and 2018/19. Obviously this is England and does not include the rest of the UK so it will be higher than this I have read your report from Nick Stripe in the Daily Fail dated in 2018 here is another one by him in June this year which do you put your faith in after all he does have a degree in Geography a Diploma in Economics and has worked in Market research. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52890515 I could go on but I have my view on it you clearly have yours.

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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:47 pm  

Miro wrote:

Your figues are from where? Please give me a link.
The "figures" I quoted come from Christopher John MacRae Whitty CB FRCP FFPH FMedSci Chief Medical Adviser to the UK Government, Chief Scientific Adviser (CSA) at the Department of Health and Social Care and Head of the National Institute for Health Research (NIHR)..
He's your go to man, Will he do?

I can tell you that those figures are understated.
When the epidemic was at its highest no one going in to ICU was coming out. I can remember Pinderfields staff celebrating the first time someone recovered after being admitted.
If we get another peak that's most likely going to happen again.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:52 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I can tell you that those figures are understated.
When the epidemic was at its highest no one going in to ICU was coming out. I can remember Pinderfields staff celebrating the first time someone recovered after being admitted.
If we get another peak that's most likely going to happen again.

Not true.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:11 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I can tell you that those figures are understated.
When the epidemic was at its highest no one going in to ICU was coming out. I can remember Pinderfields staff celebrating the first time someone recovered after being admitted.
If we get another peak that's most likely going to happen again.

What evidence do you have to back your claim for the figures being understated

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:21 pm  

PopTart wrote: With the amount of research you've done, I reckon you know those people didn't die solely of the flu. The flu was certainly deadly in the winter of 2017/18 - affecting young people too as you can see from the photographs https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... eaths.html Also in the year 2000 when everyone was out partying during the Millennium http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 477943.stm Where was the outrage about this crisis? Where were the face mask mandates? Did no one care? Strange times we are living in. Don't be surprised if we go into total lockdown in November, forced to be tested in January to enter public spaces and then forced to pay for the tests at a later date, forced to take a vaccine if we want to stop paying for our tests. All these rules in the hope of a vaccine. Newsflash the front running vaccines don't give 100% protection, these mandated rules are to here to stay. What happened to flattening the curve for a few weeks to just help the NHS cope. All thanks to a bunch of spineless money grabbing politicians, all to push the "new normal" - cashless, smart tracking apps, smart cities with smart pop up travel lanes and smart god knows what else. You heard it from me again there is no going back. Pharma and the World Health Organisation are not what I call trustworthy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV1IZVT ... e=youtu.be

PopTart wrote: With the amount of research you've done, I reckon you know those people didn't die solely of the flu. The flu was certainly deadly in the winter of 2017/18 - affecting young people too as you can see from the photographs https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... eaths.html Also in the year 2000 when everyone was out partying during the Millennium http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 477943.stm Where was the outrage about this crisis? Where were the face mask mandates? Did no one care? Strange times we are living in. Don't be surprised if we go into total lockdown in November, forced to be tested in January to enter public spaces and then forced to pay for the tests at a later date, forced to take a vaccine if we want to stop paying for our tests. All these rules in the hope of a vaccine. Newsflash the front running vaccines don't give 100% protection, these mandated rules are to here to stay. What happened to flattening the curve for a few weeks to just help the NHS cope. All thanks to a bunch of spineless money grabbing politicians, all to push the "new normal" - cashless, smart tracking apps, smart cities with smart pop up travel lanes and smart god knows what else. You heard it from me again there is no going back. Pharma and the World Health Organisation are not what I call trustworthy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV1IZVT ... e=youtu.be