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Re: Thank you Mr Applegarth : Sat Sep 16, 2023 10:49 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

If you dont advertise and go with "the next in line" how do you know who is out there

Do advertise, but not the next in line. I'd wait for the right one.

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Re: Thank you Mr Applegarth : Sat Sep 16, 2023 10:53 am  

The Avenger wrote:

Well I certainly pointed out that removing Poching was a mistake and when Applegarth was mooted as a replacement (without advertising the position) I made my opinion heard on that along with a breakdown of why he wasn’t good enough. I also voiced opinion on some of the new recruits and have been proven right there also. No hindsight here!

Who applied for the job when Poching was appointed, how do we know whether it was low level or not other than what Carter or Minards said. Even if it was low level there are many elements that will decide who applies for a coaching position, who’s free at the time and whether they think it’s the right time to move their families etc but to not even test the waters and ask for applications is quite simply ridiculous in professional sport. There are just 26 top tier coaching positions available in the world for Senior Rugby League Coaches, I refuse to believe that we wouldn’t have found a more suitable candidate than MA. By all means use Applegarth as a caretaker while you field the applications but to not advertise and just appoint an untried, unqualified and inexperienced coach is stupid!
I suspect the owners just went for Chester’s assistant and got a decent Coach in Poching but then didn’t back him against some of the players who didn’t like him. It’s their modus operandi isn’t it, go for the cheap in house option and after Willie Applegarth was even cheaper and had made his intentions known to them by offering himself up behind Poching’s back.

We’ve had a string of poor decision making from giving Chester a new contract, sacking Poching, not advertising the Coaching position, appointing Applegarth, then not making a decision to remove him early in the season when changes would have made a difference.

But you and others have asked what would you do now and I’ve given you an answer, speculating that the new owner might appoint a mate to discredit that answer is poor. The owners/new owners should realise by now that the cheap unprofessional option and way of doing things doesn’t work! Do it properly, advertise the positions of DoR, Head Coach etc and appoint people who are expert in their field and bring the right qualities to the job and the club.

You did indeed say all that early on.

I'm not sure I understood your next step idea. I wasn't trying to discredit anything, just pointing out that the DoR needs to be a quality appointment as well

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Re: Thank you Mr Applegarth : Sat Sep 16, 2023 10:57 am  

MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:

I honestly don't think there is any need for expenditure on a DOR. If a good coach is appointed he will identify was is needed to build a side, if the resources are there then he's half a chance

Doesn't that go against what you said two posts higher?

Coach recommends, board or specifically DoR decides if resources are available.
There is a need for that role. Contracts and negotiations need to be separate to coaching otherwise it takes time away from actual coaching.

I don't think the DoR should be sole decision maker on team. I didn't think that was what Carter was doing but either way the coach has to choose. Some may be knocked back but they shouldn't have anyone they didn't choose.

Re: Thank you Mr Applegarth : Sat Sep 16, 2023 11:11 am  

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You did indeed say all that early on.

I'm not sure I understood your next step idea. I wasn't trying to discredit anything, just pointing out that the DoR needs to be a quality appointment as well

Fair enough but that’s why you follow a professional process, advertise, interview, wait for the right candidate, appoint someone who brings something to your club who can improve everyone around them

Re: Thank you Mr Applegarth : Sat Sep 16, 2023 11:13 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

It was the coach who gave the interview, it was nothing to do with MC. It appears you are getting a little too protective of our director of rugby.

Did I miss your correction?

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Re: Thank you Mr Applegarth : Sat Sep 16, 2023 11:22 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

Did I miss your correction?

Are you arguing with yourself now?

If you meant Mash then I misunderstood which 'they' you were having a go at. I was talking about Carter as others are talking about Carter's interview where he takes responsibility.

Re: Thank you Mr Applegarth : Sat Sep 16, 2023 11:38 am  

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Apppegarth needs to take a reasonable chunk of responsibility for our performances and subsequent relegation. We have had a record amount of nillings and poor performances throughout the year, yet still had ample opportunities to save the year. Getting pumped by Cas at home was unforgivable. Seeing the same old mistakes yet same old faces playing who simply shouldn’t of been. I have nothing personal against Mash and do believe he is a good young coach, but he simply shouldn’t of gone for this job, we needed an experienced coach who may have been in these waters before. Mash obviously thought he was up to the job and has failed miserably.

Re: Thank you Mr Applegarth : Sat Sep 16, 2023 11:49 am  

Egg Banjo wrote:

Might as well sack him now and hope for a new coach bounce for the final two games. What a waste of a season

Thanks for giving me your opinion old lad or I believed a know nothing like Paul Sculthorpe on tv saying he knows Mash well and he's a good coach

Re: Thank you Mr Applegarth : Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:28 pm  

try scorer wrote:

Thanks for giving me your opinion old lad or I believed a know nothing like Paul Sculthorpe on tv saying he knows Mash well and he's a good coach

Winning 4 games in a whole season would strongly suggest that he isn't a good coach. Getting knocked out of the chwllenge cup in the first round they played would strongly suggest he isnt a good coach. Leading the team who had the most nillings ever in Super League would strongly suggest he isn't a good coach. Getting your home team club relegated in your first season would strongly suggest he isn't a good coach.

I'm sure he's a lovely bloke, but he is the worst coach in Super League and club history

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Re: Thank you Mr Applegarth : Sat Sep 16, 2023 2:05 pm  

I don't go in for the 'he's rubbish because of the result'. There are loads of things that affect the result, injuries in particular at the beginning of the season

However, at the Shareholder meetings, Mash said he didn't want to talk about individual players, and possibly right to do it, but I'd like to know

1) why could Fifita arriving improve Atoni's performance, but you and no one else including Atoni himself could do it
2) why play Proctor when he either can't do more than 35 minutes at best and 15 at worst. Who's decision was it not to come back on, Proctor or Mash.
3) who's decision was it to sign Proctor?