Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:54 am  

I am 3 years into a dispute with a local authority who are having their strings pulled by conservationists who employ arguements ticking many environmental boxes. My adversaries are extremely politically astute and skilled campaigners (I can't help having a grudging respect for them). I am pretty sure that the conservation / environmentalist lobby train activists in political campaigning and that such taining involves creating controvertial debate that is attractive to the local rag.

I have learned that ignoring the goading of your advesaries is the best strategy. They are entitled to their view and their political campaigning. The best startegy to stay focused on the strengths of your position and continue to sing the merits of your project.

I find myself having considerable sympathy with Tigermans views. Beating these people in a debate is not a pre requisite of having a new community stadium built for the benefit of the people of Wakefield Met.

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:04 am  

owiepob wrote:

I am 3 years into a dispute with a local authority who are having their strings pulled by conservationists who employ arguements ticking many environmental boxes. My adversaries are extremely politically astute and skilled campaigners (I can't help having a grudging respect for them). I am pretty sure that the conservation / environmentalist lobby train activists in political campaigning and that such taining involves creating controvertial debate that is attractive to the local rag.

I have learned that ignoring the goading of your advesaries is the best strategy. They are entitled to their view and their political campaigning. The best startegy to stay focused on the strengths of your position and continue to sing the merits of your project.

I find myself having considerable sympathy with Tigermans views. Beating these people in a debate is not a pre requisite of having a new community stadium built for the benefit of the people of Wakefield Met.

That's good info. I would agree, as others have stated, that it's best to just stick to the reasons we have in support of the proposals. Those who come on here engaging in debate have nothing to lose from doing so, but potentially quite a lot to gain.

I do still feel that the campaign to get our message heard via the media - mainly through the WE - is essential as public opinion will count when the politicians get involved.

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:22 am  

TRB wrote:

I do still feel that the campaign to get our message heard via the media - mainly through the WE - is essential as public opinion will count when the politicians get involved.

without a doubt

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:59 pm  

TRB wrote:

I would just like to make clear an issue which has been mentioned elsewhere, namely that posters will need to be cautious over the posts which they make as we believe there is a strong possibility that this forum is being monitored by people who would rather this development didn't happen. As such, can I please urge caution in the comments made - i.e. think before you type!

Thank you!

Good thing there are no pet graves at the Newmarket site.

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:20 pm  

I cant see what people typing on here has to do with the proposed stadium. Its just fans expressing there opinion and it shouldnt have anything to do with the proposals. If i say kill all frogs and insects is there a chance the people who oppose the stadium will use this against us

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:26 pm  

Humphrey wrote:

I cant see what people typing on here has to do with the proposed stadium. Its just fans expressing there opinion and it shouldnt have anything to do with the proposals. If i say kill all frogs and insects is there a chance the people who oppose the stadium will use this against us

You would be surprised what people will use for propaganda, hence my comment about the pet graves.

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:28 pm  

just had another look on the WCCG site and i see they have removed the new comments, but wrightys name is still on the petition so that one must be genuine

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:34 pm  

Well we can turn it round for our benefit too. So the club can use this

I live near the proposed plans for the new wakefield ground and i think its an excellent idea and i would be most disappointed if it didnt go ahead. Im fed up of all this wildlife anyway

Simples

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:57 pm  

just had another look on wccg site, i am now certain these people are monitoring your page on here, not only as i said earlier have they removed the new comments and the video but now one of the people on the petition has removed has his name from it.

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:33 pm  

tigerman10 wrote:

just had another look on wccg site, i am now certain these people are monitoring your page on here, not only as i said earlier have they removed the new comments and the video but now one of the people on the petition has removed has his name from it.

For the record - the guy who posted the video was a Paul Williams. This is no secret as his name came up on the video at the end.

Hello Paul!