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Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:50 pm  

sandaltrinityfan wrote:

I really think this thread has been done to death . I'm as puzzled as anyone by last weekends team selection but those on the park surely had a responsibility to react positively to being picked to play.
RA isn't going anywhere and in my eyes isn't totally to blame in any case for our up and down form. You can only play the cards you have been dealt. The team against St. Helens was ok as far as team selection is concerned and we should have beaten them but I believe some indifferent refereeing stuffed us that day.
I want to see some real teamwork with all the players battling for each other.
I'm convinced the talent is at the club and am pleased with all the imports although I think Ryan is a centre not a second row!

I agree, the thread has been done to death, but I predict a part 4 next time we lose by more than 10 points to a big club or just lose to a middle table team.
Ryan is effective at centre but he isn't the long term solution.

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:54 pm  

Ryan is a second row IMO.

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Wed Apr 02, 2014 5:17 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I agree, the thread has been done to death, but I predict a part 4 next time we lose by more than 10 points to a big club or just lose to a middle table team.
Ryan is effective at centre but he isn't the long term solution.

Not my long term choice or even first choice, just how I see him at the moment. He may be more effective in the second row if he bulks up a bit.

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Wed Apr 02, 2014 5:27 pm  

The Dreadnought wrote:

Ryan is a second row IMO.

This. Centre in an emergency only.

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Wed Apr 02, 2014 5:44 pm  

I think the bloke has got better each game he's played. Not sure he's a centre but he's doing it for the team by playing there.

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:15 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

Personally I'd rather see the top teams hit us for 50 but be beating the Bradfords and Hull KRs as opposed to us putting in gallant losing performances against the top teams and then be capitulating spectacularly in the more crucial games.

Me too, especially in this survival situation. You can set your watch by the fact that we'll put in 2 decent performances against Leeds followed by a stinker against Cas. His whole motivational and planning tactics are flawed. Not only that losing these kind of games are real crowd killers, they demoralise your fan base like no other. No doubt thats knocked a fair few hundred of the Leeds gate. I suppose it gives some on here a chance to get on their high horse about the "apathetic Wakefield public".

While were on the subject of Agar, is he the only coach in the world of professional Rugby League that believes an hooker is an 80 minutes player?

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:44 pm  

deeHell wrote:

While were on the subject of Agar, is he the only coach in the world of professional Rugby League that believes an hooker is an 80 minutes player?

No - Nathan Brown and Craig Bellamy seem to agree with him.

I guess it depends on the hooker in question; McShane is clearly better when he's spelled.

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:28 pm  

I'm not in the Agar out camp. I dont know him greatly but when I've spoken to him, he's a nice guy. As far as whether he's a good coach or go on to be a good coach I think the jury is still out. I like things he has done & I certainly would question some of his decisions. But I would probably do that with all coaches. I don't like the football style sacking coaches at the drop of a hat policy. They need time. That's not to say I won't pull my hair out at an Agar decision as I will. We all will. He's our coach, we aren't flush with money for replacements & He's still a young coach & I really hope he goes on to achieve here at Wakefield.

As far as Hull KR. I didn't go so cannot comment on individual performances. If his tactical decisions work he's a genius & if there wrong he's a numpty. He said in his interview he doesn't think the coaching team could assess if they were right due to how poor everyone applied themselves. I'm not going to be too critical of that.

What I am going to be critical of is the players. I say this often but you can have a bad game on the ball but you should never have a bad game off it. Effort, energy, enthusiasm, work rate, application etc. From speaking to people who went, looking at the stats and looking at the scoreline it was embarrassing. You can't hide from that and they have a chance to make amends for it this week. I fully support the players and we have a good team here at the Wildcats. Far better than we could have imagined.

We have seen they have all the attributes as they have displayed them in different games. What we need is consistency, wiseness and several leaders when the going gets tough. Every team has momentum in a game. We need leaders to stand up to teams when there on the front foot, wiseness & patience to complete sets with a good kick chase. Then when we do get good ball get it to our strike players often in good room & look at repeat set options to apply pressure.

I was disappointed with the Hull KR scoreline and the team. I'm sure they were disappointed in themselves. I've seen enough to know the players are better than that. For the fans, coach, board and themselves show us what your capable of at Leeds. I fully back you all & know your good enough but ask the 17 players picked v Leeds.. Have you got what it takes??

Player reaction wanted.....

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:03 pm  

There are a lot of people who speak positively of Agar, in that he is very knowledgable about the game.
Maybe this is his problem, he is over analysing in his coaching methods.
Some people have already mentioned that we as a team need to keep it simple and do the basics right, cos more times than not this is what wins matches.
Not breaking everything down and searching with a fine comb.

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Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:27 am  

I've seen a lot of coaches come and go while watching Trinity and they have all had this kind of criticism from some fans.