Re: Webster out : Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:41 am  

Re:- J. Crowther he should be playing on merit anyway. One of the few bright spots.

[Wildthing]

Re: Webster out : Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:56 am  

New York Bar X111 wrote:

Re:- J. Crowther he should be playing on merit anyway. One of the few bright spots.

Correct. A Wakey lad who will always give 100% while proudly wearing the shirt. Wish we had a few more like him!

Re: Webster out : Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:19 am  

Wildthing wrote:

Correct. A Wakey lad who will always give 100% while proudly wearing the shirt. Wish we had a few more like him!

Perhaps we could've done had the club not spent the licensed years practically ignoring the youngster the club produced in favour of fringe players from other clubs.

Re: Webster out : Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:59 am  

Double post.

Re: Webster out : Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:08 am  

That's what gets me the team are in a bad place at the moment players injured players playing as though they aint bothered get a couple of our younger players who would spill blood for the club in.Young Jordan aint let anyone down with the little game time he has had and when in the squad so why is he not in the side every week hes certainly put more effort in than a lot of the experienced players.That effort just might make one or two others take note and would also be a kick up the arris for the experienced ones who would then have to put effort in to get back in.

Re: Webster out : Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:12 am  

Kevs Head wrote:

I'm going very much against my previous thinking now but bear with me.
Webster may not win many prizes for diplomacy with the RFL but, given the situation Trinity are in regards finances and squad depth/quality, isn't he just stating the obvious truth? A truth that the RFL might have foreseen.
Which is most important for the club's survival? To go all out to win every game with a set of busted players, end up in the middle 8 still with busted players, narrowly lose the million pound match and go in to the Championship ie. the plucky losers?
OR - possibly lose a few hundred fans from the gate for the next 13 rounds but go in to the Qualifiers with a fit, stable squad who can, more likely, do the job and retain SL status?
Financially, it's much better to be in SL than the Champs and it gives us a chance to recover and rebuild for the next SL season. Webster's comments may seem naive to me but MC may well be backing the strategy for purely financial and survival reasons. Let's face it, we all expected to be in the bottom four anyway. Would we rather be in the bottom four with some chance of survival or in the bottom four with a lot less chance of survival?
In some ways it's just the same as in the old play off structure where the accusation was made that top teams could coast for most of the season and just come in to form at the play offs. Now - yes every moment matters for those teams from 4th to 10th, but for us, Webster's right, the moments that matter are after the split.
Not that I'm happy with being SL whipping boys but it does make sense and cheer me up ever so very slightly!

The season so far is panning out quite similar to how I thought it would, although after your good start I did wonder if I had under estimated your chances. It was always going to be a tough year for Wakfield given the gap in spending power between yourselves and the big boys in SL. You're certainly doing it tough at the moment but you'd think that you will improve again before the end of your SL season.

I don't know if there is a strategy to try and hold something back for the final 7/8 games in the split, if it was my team I'd like to think not. I go and watch my team in the hope that they're going into each game with a single aim of getting the win. Damage limitation for 23 rounds before a big push in the split doesn't seem a great strategy for building the club and supporter base. When that split does happen it shoukd certainly be a very tense couple of months for a lot of clubs with so much at stake.

Re: Webster out : Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:54 am  

It will be interesting once the other 3 clubs destined for the middle eight become more evident. I think Betts has already been targeting games with his use of Brown and if they fall further behind the pack he will have difficult choices to make.

Re: Webster out : Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:23 am  

Even with a fully fit squad if we play the same style of Rugby as we have attempted this season then we will finish 7th or 8th in the middle eight. Our completion rate is around 50 % because our players are simply not good enough to execute the passing style game Webster has tried to get them to play. Our players are some of the worst players in SL. They may just have the ability to play a very simple game plan designed to get them to the end of their sets and kick. Not pretty but it is all they are capable of.
Defence is about desire, attitude and determination all atributes we do not have at present, not sure how we engender this into the players. It seems obvious that Webster, his staff or our captain are not able to get a response from the team. Remember last year when the Catalans director took control of the situation after they lost to us last year. I think the players have had to much carrot and not enough stick. Each player should be made to report to the directors on Monday morning, with their agent and receive the bolloking of their lifetimes. Those agents sold their players to the club on the basis that they could play Rugby well they need to prove it. Injured players like Ian Shirke ( not the genuine injured players ) should be made to do an 8 hour day cleaning the ground. The players are taking the michael, every player who has worn the shirt this season is a full time pro player so should be able to tackle, catch and run hard.
I fully expected us to be in the middle eight and unlike Vasty agreed with the bookies, I did not expect us to be given a game plan beyond our players abilities, I expected to see effort, I did not think we would win a single game, on paper we are the worst team, but I can respect a team that gives 100% in defeat.

Re: Webster out : Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:52 am  

Bully_Boxer wrote:

I don't know if there is a strategy to try and hold something back for the final 7/8 games in the split, if it was my team I'd like to think not. I go and watch my team in the hope that they're going into each game with a single aim of getting the win. Damage limitation for 23 rounds before a big push in the split doesn't seem a great strategy for building the club and supporter base. When that split does happen it shoukd certainly be a very tense couple of months for a lot of clubs with so much at stake.

I don't disagree with you at all. The strategy Webster is hinting at is dangerous and certainly cynical. But, it's a strategy that the new structure allows. I'd love us to be in a different place but our situation is what it is and, if SL survival is the name of the game the damage limitation strategy is the best one we've got. Heard the story of the two blokes in the jungle confronted by a hungry lion? One shouts, "Run for your life!" but his mate stops and puts on his running shoes.
"What the f... are you doing? You can't outrun a lion!"
"I don't have to outrun the lion", says his mate. "I just have to outrun you!"
That's the position we're in now.

Re: Webster out : Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:24 am  

The cynic in me wonders whether Webster is trying to buy himself time to the end of the season referring to the play offs etc continually if it was a 'normal season' he'd probably be looking at the door now.

We'll probably get pumped in the play offs aswell then Webster will join Agar at Warrington as his number 2 with Tony Smith going back to Aus whilst Trinity face the prospect of playing teams like Batley next season..

We're off to the Halifax game this Friday and whether we lose or not I'd love to see Crowther, Jowitt and Johnstone in the 17.