Re: Peter box : Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:30 pm  

Whilst I appreciate and agree with Bren as regards the the dishonesty, chicanery, duplicity et al displayed by various parties we are where we are .
Do we hold out , and hold out and witness the demise of Trinity?
I for one ,after over 60 years supporting,am not prepared to do that.
We need to salvage what we can to ensure the progress being made in all other areas is complemented by a Stadium securing Superleague survival.

Re: Peter box : Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:34 pm  

I think there's some middle ground between holding out for exactly in every detail what we were promised and doing Belle Vue up on the relatively cheap, over a few years with the help of volunteers. Hopefully, the Club is really having positive meetings with the Council and a plan is going to be announced soon that if not exactly what we asked for, is near enough to it that it enables us to watch RL in new surroundings with good corporate etc and hopefully we get some Community facilities sorted as well.
ATEOTD we'll just have to wait till the club can tell us something concrete -maybe the new chairman John Minards has managed to work some magic as far the Council is concerned and got somewhere.

Re: Peter box : Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:43 pm  

[quote="Shifty Cat"]
ATEOTD we'll just have to wait till the club can tell us something concrete -

Literally!

Re: Peter box : Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:31 pm  

bren2k wrote:

All this talk of tidying up and make do and mend, whilst interesting, is letting YC and WMDC off the hook massively! If I recall correctly, the SoS ordered that in return for a massive chunk of land being taken out of green belt, that YCP were to provide a fit for purpose modern stadium for community use, with WT as the anchor tenant - when did that get downgraded to a group of volunteers installing second hand steel and a lick of paint?

If we get anything less than what was promised, we've been had - and anyone who accepts that is complicit in the chicanery of YCP, WMDC and SRW.

Hear Hear!! bren.

Re: Peter box : Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:35 pm  

So the new chairman Minards and Michael Carter(who inherited this mess) are complicit in all the wrongdoings if they salvage something from this wreckage?
Absolute nonsense.
Why don’t you tell them that ?

Re: Peter box : Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:32 am  

thebeagle wrote:

So the new chairman Minards and Michael Carter(who inherited this mess) are complicit in all the wrongdoings if they salvage something from this wreckage?
Absolute nonsense.
Why don’t you tell them that ?

I don't think anyone on this thread had said that, more to do with the council and developer trying to get out of what they promised.

For me, I'd be happy with a redeveloped Belle Vue along the lines of what Vastman has talked about. In an ideal world I'd like BV flattened and built again but I don't think we will get that.

Re: Peter box : Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:54 pm  

One of the arguments at the time re green belt was that it was about to be taken out of green belt anyway. Further, if anyone is seriously arguing that Wakefield has been deprived of some meadow due to Yorkcourt's chicanery has lost the plot. It was an old field on the site of a former colliery by the M62.

Also, if anyone really believes that what was wanted was a community facility above else, again they are fooling themselves. Newmarket would have had no support at all if they had said we will build a community sports facility but Trinity can't play there.

It was what we always knew it was: a Wakefield stadium on a bit of scrap-land by the motorway, and the community element merely strengthened the argument. To suggest that anyone who achieves a Wakefield stadium fit for Super League is somehow complicit in Yorkcourt's chicanery is talking nonsense. Yorkcourt's chicanery is one thing. We want a stadium. If there is a way to get one, get one. Yorkcourt's conduct can be a matter for a different fight on a different day.

What would be madness would be to say that we should force Yorkcourt to comply and everything else should be sidelined.

Re: Peter box : Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:24 pm  

We have to be realistic, the longer it plays out the worse it becomes. Granted we were promised a shiny new stadium however to secure the future of the club & place a in Super League some middle ground has to be met.

No doubt MC & Co. will make the best decision in regards to the above so lets leave it down to them.

All we can do is continue to support the team get down to Belle Vue.

Re: Peter box : Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:35 pm  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

One of the arguments at the time re green belt was that it was about to be taken out of green belt anyway. Further, if anyone is seriously arguing that Wakefield has been deprived of some meadow due to Yorkcourt's chicanery has lost the plot. It was an old field on the site of a former colliery by the M62.

Also, if anyone really believes that what was wanted was a community facility above else, again they are fooling themselves. Newmarket would have had no support at all if they had said we will build a community sports facility but Trinity can't play there.

It was what we always knew it was: a Wakefield stadium on a bit of scrap-land by the motorway, and the community element merely strengthened the argument. To suggest that anyone who achieves a Wakefield stadium fit for Super League is somehow complicit in Yorkcourt's chicanery is talking nonsense. Yorkcourt's chicanery is one thing. We want a stadium. If there is a way to get one, get one. Yorkcourt's conduct can be a matter for a different fight on a different day.

What would be madness would be to say that we should force Yorkcourt to comply and everything else should be sidelined.

As I remember it, the old colliery was brown belt land and that comprises of some of the Newmarket development and they also needed some of the farmer's fields that were the green belt bit that was taken out. Some of it was fairly unkept land, particularly where they've built the Coldstore, but not all of it is like that up there. I still ride there regularly and used to use the old pit to get from Moorhouse up towards Methley.

Re: Peter box : Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:10 am  

The last time it was spoke about settling for a revamped Belle Vue or another site it wasn't viable and the Council/Yorkcourt probably knew this. Don't fall for anymore stalling tactics and red herrings, Newmarket already has plans drawn up and approved....they want us to get desperate and settle for anything and are continuing playing the long game while they push more planning apps through at Newmarket. Also who cares if the land at Newmarket was unkept, Yorkcourt agreed to deliver a stadium in the return for the very valuable chunk of land they've received at the expense of the tax payer, the fact the council keep pointing us to other sites despite this shows where their allegiances lie. If I were to bet, I still don't think this will get settled without going to court.