Re: Dec.16th Belle Vue planning application is live online : Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:29 pm  

vastman wrote:

Honestly, I and most others have no idea. I'm yet to see what he's gained or to put it another way I'd be breaking the law to speculate.

It was, without doubt, the turning point where NM was concerned, from that point there was no way back.

I'll guarantee you one thing when the new stand is built RW will undoubtedly find a way to claim the credit, watch this space.

Could well do, vasty
Would you believe that at the public hearing eleven years ago, which I attended, he officially stated that he was responsible for bringing about the then new Wembley Stadum

Re: Dec.16th Belle Vue planning application is live online : Mon Dec 20, 2021 9:42 pm  

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Redscat wrote:

Could well do, vasty
Would you believe that at the public hearing eleven years ago, which I attended, he officially stated that he was responsible for bringing about the then new Wembley Stadum

I don’t like the honours system as it is and Walker is a perfect example as to why.

You won’t be surprised that I’m not against it all together. but I’d be much happier if it was just enough handed out for a balanced House of Lords, I mean it’s not like they do anything much. Also a handful of honorables actually picked by the Queen and close advisors for knighthoods and other gongs and not by politicians and civil servants. I’m pretty sure Liz would get most of them right and I doubt that would include Rodders.

I support a limited version of it because I think it makes us stand out a bit from the rest of the rather bland Eurozone. A bit of good old fashioned pomp. Shows we were able to keep our traditions because we didn’t keep losing wars (Germany) or surrendering (France) or just being plain load and vulgar (USA). I don’t really care so long as it keeps the rest of the world interested. Being noticed even for daft things is better than not being noticed at all (Australia or Canada).

It could be quite a nice institution if it wasn’t so clearly bent

Re: Dec.16th Belle Vue planning application is live online : Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:39 pm  

My bro came up with a good suggestion this morning regarding the forthcoming building works - instead of us die-hards asking for regular progress updates, how's about the club/builders put one of those time-lapse cameras on the roof of either the North or South stands pointing at the East stand so we can permanently view the on-going transformation ???

Re: Dec.16th Belle Vue planning application is live online : Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:21 pm  

FIL wrote:

My bro came up with a good suggestion this morning regarding the forthcoming building works - instead of us die-hards asking for regular progress updates, how's about the club/builders put one of those time-lapse cameras on the roof of either the North or South stands pointing at the East stand so we can permanently view the on-going transformation ???

Excellent idea, filming throughout the entire demolition and rebuild, it would also capture anything naughty such as on-site theft or vandalism, this is not aimed at those campers on Heath common .

Re: Dec.16th Belle Vue planning application is live online : Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:32 pm  

FIL wrote:

My bro came up with a good suggestion this morning regarding the forthcoming building works - instead of us die-hards asking for regular progress updates, how's about the club/builders put one of those time-lapse cameras on the roof of either the North or South stands pointing at the East stand so we can permanently view the on-going transformation ???

The jippo's would have the camera within 24 hrs.

Re: Dec.16th Belle Vue planning application is live online : Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:28 pm  

[quote="vastman"][list=][/list]I don’t like the honours system as it is and Walker is a perfect example as to why.

You won’t be surprised that I’m not against it all together. but I’d be much happier if it was just enough handed out for a balanced House of Lords, I mean it’s not like they do anything much. Also a handful of honorables actually picked by the Queen and close advisors for knighthoods and other gongs and not by politicians and civil servants. I’m pretty sure Liz would get most of them right and I doubt that would include Rodders.

I support a limited version of it because I think it makes us stand out a bit from the rest of the rather bland Eurozone. A bit of good old fashioned pomp. Shows we were able to keep our traditions because we didn’t keep losing wars (Germany) or surrendering (France) or just being plain load and vulgar (USA). I don’t really care so long as it keeps the rest of the world interested. Being noticed even for daft things is better than not being noticed at all (Australia or Canada).

It could be quite a nice institution if it wasn’t so clearly bent[/quote




You'd be surprised to see, vasty, that I don't totally disagree with the honours system. I find nothing wrong in officially recogniseng the hard work and endeavour of those that have actually done something outstanding, but I'm totally against the House of Lords and the usage of title viz Sir, Lord, Earl etc. After all it was only the fact that one bloke had a bigger club than the next bloke in the first place that the nobility came about. . t's absolutely feudal and should be.consigned to history.

As an aside, I have to say that I worked alongside "Sir" Rodders many, many years ago. Even in those days he had a very overpowering presence and was obviously going to be a "somebody", but I must admit that he was one of the funniest people that I have ever met and a natural comedian (but a bad loser at three card brag).

Re: Dec.16th Belle Vue planning application is live online : Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:42 am  

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Not sure what to replace the Lords with?

Second houses are always tricky and always tend to be just another layers of gravy train politicians. This would be even trickier in our system where historically the power of parliament is overwhelming.

I’m open to ideas but the Lords like so many things in Britain is a result of us being the first. We were the first real modern democracy and thus we have a lot of baggage from the time, it’s a tricky one.

I’m sure Rodders is funny, right wingers tend to be far more amusing and charming than their left wing counterparts..All to do with self confidence and less of a need to appear earnest but it’s only skin deep.

Apparently many of the top Nazis were utterly charming, most notably Goring. Atlee was an absolute grey bore but on balance I still prefer Clem.

I to have met Rodders a few times and he falls into that category of effortless self confidence born from a sense of self worth he hasn’t earned.

Re: Dec.16th Belle Vue planning application is live online : Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:19 am  

FIL wrote:

My bro came up with a good suggestion this morning regarding the forthcoming building works - instead of us die-hards asking for regular progress updates, how's about the club/builders put one of those time-lapse cameras on the roof of either the North or South stands pointing at the East stand so we can permanently view the on-going transformation ???

wasn't that done at headingley

Re: Dec.16th Belle Vue planning application is live online : Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:16 pm  

[quote="vastman"]

Why have a second chamber of any kind? If those in the Commons took the job far more seriously and didn't act like small schoolkids at playtime one house should be sufficicient. The Lords is nothing but an expensive anachronism in these modern times.

Re: Dec.16th Belle Vue planning application is live online : Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:31 pm  

[quote="Redscat"]

You have a second house, selected differently from the first, to act as a "check and balance" for the decisions made by the first house.

Without it, whatever is passed by the majority party becomes Law, without redress.

It shouldn't be a hereditary house (or have religious figures in there), but there needs to be a 2nd house of legislature.