Re: The **** has hit the fan : Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:09 pm  

Kettykat wrote:

Really don’t understand all this animosity towards Carter , it’s the players that are letting themselves and the club down not Carter . Do they really need a coach to tell them the gravity of the situation or to pack down in a set time or they will be penalised ,we’re talking the very basics of RL here ,something they will have been taught in their very early start of their career to even get a chance to play in Super League much later down the line ,no one gets through just going through the motions I don’t care who they are ,they all have to put some serious work in . The trouble we have is now they’ve made it they think they are on easy St ,and for all intense and purpose they have ,and the days of hard Graf are behind them , it’s almost like it’s written in the very culture/fabric at the club , get in and then do the minimum to keep yourself in , simple . Carters shortfall for me is not his supposed arrogance but his gullible/trusting personality, by giving out long contracts like smarties ,to has been and ageing players on the say so of a coach in the midst of his own death throws ,the same players who will now hold on until the very death like bloodsuckers getting their last fix of money on a mortally wounded beast . Poching is a very likeable guy and not for one minute am I expecting him to hang his players out to dry in the media ,even though behind the scenes he must have been candescent watching that tripe unfold on Sunday . Too nice a guy will be his downfall im afraid , but we all saw how the big stick approach ended last time under BS .

Alot of this is about the on field stuff I.e. coaching staff etc. I don't think we operate too dissimilar to other teams in Super League in that respect ie. A head coach, a couple of assistants, conditioner etc.

My question is how much help behind closed doors where no one can see anything does the club pay for? Is it on par with other clubs who I assume have lots of people doing lots of work I.e. attracting more investors or sponsors or marketing the club. Or is it a closed shop and one that we are very much limiting our effectiveness? I genuinely don't know the answer. But surely some of the money we spend on the dross on the field would be better spent behind the scenes? I'll repeat I genuinely don't know the answer and it's all hypothetical talk.

Re: The **** has hit the fan : Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:13 pm  

chissitt wrote:

I did not think for one minute there was any criticism towards Carter from your post, it just seemed easier to use it as a reference towards those that seem to think it's all his fault, apart from what some on here perceive as a big mistake giving Poching and his team the job and they're inability to bring out the best of what they have tactically, I can't honestly see where he's gone from hero to villain in 1/2 a season, when we strung a few games together at the back end of last season with the present coaching staff, you never heard a peep from all those with O levels in hindsight, now it's gone t!ts up there all experts, as for putting money into off field staff, with all this hindsight what's knocking about, maybe we could have put it to better use on field, which brings us back to Poching, is it is fault that he's having to select players that don't appear to be good enough or even want to carry on playing for the club, it's so easy and fickle to play the blame game, and just to be clear, I'm not blaming you

All noted and I don't disagree.

What I'm trying to work out in my own head is if we're good off the field, but terrible on it.

Re: The **** has hit the fan : Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:17 pm  

The reason you are good on the field is down to who you signed ,Think we're we are in the league says a lot about the signings

Re: The **** has hit the fan : Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:18 pm  

Remember what Poching did at the end of last season well just maybe he can do it again

Re: The **** has hit the fan : Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:21 pm  

marc271841 wrote:

The figures are plucked from the air and I accept that. I should have been more clear on that.

My point was that we have some players burning a hole on our rooster which doesn't represent value for money. So realistically could you put that money into off field staff? All said with hindsight and I'm not criticising MC.

Always difficult with players who were once good but then were on the slide. Some carry on trying their best and want a successful final hurrah. We've had a number of those. Others see it as a step-down so they wind down everything, in terms of commitment and effort.

Lineham once upon a time was a good winger. He could have been a useful big-bashing winger, in a Ryan Hall kind of way, but we don't know how they are going to fare until they arrive. It turned out it was a waste of time, but we've maybe got it right more often than wrong.

Gaskell, for me, is a decent stand-off, with decent distribution and an eye for a gap and an opportunity. If Miller is keeping him out of the team, that should be the end of it. Playing him out of position is disastrous. He has no pace left and I can't still can't fathom when he was full back at Salford in place of Jowitt, because it was one of the worst full back performances I have seen. That isn't about recruitment. That is about selection.

Re: The **** has hit the fan : Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:23 pm  

marc271841 wrote:

100k a year on Tom Lineham and or Gaskall. Or employ more bodies to help run the club?

Don't get me wrong I know Carter's hands are tied and he does his best. But subtle things could well help. Sometimes getting help in areas where you need help is an absolute god send. It then allows you to do the things you are good at.

Absolutely correct 100%

Re: The **** has hit the fan : Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:26 pm  

marc271841 wrote:

All noted and I don't disagree.

What I'm trying to work out in my own head is if we're good off the field, but terrible on it.

Apples and pears I think, you have to be good in business to survive, where as in sport it's more of a gamble backed up by business, I'd just make my own mind up and stick to it, it's your money you make the choice, it might just be somebody else's opinion that's wrong, not yours

Re: The **** has hit the fan : Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:30 pm  

altofts wildcat wrote:

I have it on good authority that Gaskell and Lineham combined are on £200k per year....

The figure will be at least £150K (both will be on no less than £75K each,the going rate for players like these 2 are between £65 and 100k so yes anything from £150k to £200k will be what rets spent on these 2 players a season

Re: The **** has hit the fan : Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:47 pm  

altofts wildcat wrote:

I have it on good authority that Gaskell and Lineham combined are on £200k per year....

Whose authority's that then?

Re: The **** has hit the fan : Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:03 pm  

chissitt wrote:

Whose authority's that then?

His own by the soumd of it......