Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:14 am  

Miro wrote:

No, those figures come from not my research (the .7%) but from the website you recommended. They just happen to coincide with figures previously stated by me.

Chris Whitty is not my mate rather he is your mate as no doubt you are following his orders re masks and the rest. Otherwise I guess you would not be arguing with me.

I quoted him, and he should know, to show just what a scam this whole thing is. My guess is that prior to his speech his office lacky gave him the file marked “TRUTH” rather than the file marked “LIES for public consumption only”

Actually, in all fairness, I was going to state that the 50,000 figure had been disputed by the British Medical Council ?? or whatever they are called, but I ran out of time this afternoon. They claimed that the actual figure was hugely inflated by the government. But nevertheless, that is the figure put out by the government through the Office of National Statistics just as today they put out the Covid figures.

But there we are, who can trust the government either then, in 2018 or now, in 2020. I certainly don't, do you ? I mean, they wouldn't lie to us............would they?

In conclusion, statistics are shown to be a load of garbage and I for one will take em all with a pinch of salt be it Nick Stripe or anyone else.

But I believed Chris Whitty talking about covid from a medical point of view, even if he didn't really mean to let that juicy info slip out.

By the way, do you know YouTube took down that Whitty video, I wonder why?

You still do not get the maths do you?

You talk about research and analysis yet you just cannot macro it.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:50 am  

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I can tell you it was true first hand.

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RickK wrote:
What evidence do you have to back your claim for the figures being understated


I didn't say they were understated, but I can give you the example of Pinderfields as I knew someone in there that was one of the first to come back out and my close relative works on the ward.

It's not to say they all died, though the majority did, but some were just a long time on ventilators.

I'd say you're above post says that yours isn't "first hand"
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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:57 am  

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote:

You still do not get the maths do you?

You talk about research and analysis yet you just cannot macro it.

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote:
I expect the death rate to be 2 or 3%.

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Wow that mortality rate means between 1,360,000 - 2,040,000 would die without any interventions. Didn't the boffins at Imperial College come up with the worst case scenario of 500,000 deaths and loads of professors at Oxford Uni thought they were way off. Pretty sure with the case of Sweden (est.. 85,000 deaths after three months of no strict lockdown) has rubbished Professor "Pantsdown" Ferguson's modelling.

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote:
You still do not get the maths do you?

You, me and a whole load of others then RW&B.

"Macro it" ??

For goodness sake man, speak plain Englsh.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:17 am  

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote:

You still do not get the maths do you?

You talk about research and analysis yet you just cannot macro it.

Maths...well, maths is only as good as the figures imputed in order to get the correct result. I think I made it quite plain that those imputed figures, especially from our new lord and masters, are usually a load of garbage.
Macro that.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:14 am  

Miro wrote:

Maths...well, maths is only as good as the figures imputed in order to get the correct result. I think I made it quite plain that those imputed figures, especially from our new lord and masters, are usually a load of garbage.
Macro that.

You caught up at last the figures might be garbage but the figures posted come from sources purported to be reliable in different countries now if you can get out of the UK bububble you can see the picture emerging based on factual evidence not predictions.

Accepting the death rate may be higher than expected at the moment because countries were caught out and the virus hit the vulnerable. There are still a lot of vulnerable people in the world and if UN checked this virus has a long way to go.

You may have missed an article yesterday about the rising UK hospital admissions the highest group is females between 30 and 40 quite a surprise to say that it initially hit minority and vulnerable groups and statistically more men.

Over to you if you want to continue to quest!

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:55 am  

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote:

You caught up at last the figures might be garbage but the figures posted come from sources purported to be reliable in different countries now if you can get out of the UK bububble you can see the picture emerging based on factual evidence not predictions.

Accepting the death rate may be higher than expected at the moment because countries were caught out and the virus hit the vulnerable. There are still a lot of vulnerable people in the world and if UN checked this virus has a long way to go.

You may have missed an article yesterday about the rising UK hospital admissions the highest group is females between 30 and 40 quite a surprise to say that it initially hit minority and vulnerable groups and statistically more men.

Over to you if you want to continue to quest!

Define "factual evidence" It's easy to say but what does that translate as? Give me an example. Who's facts? A lot of people in hospital with the flu diagnosed as ........?
More testing than ever before ? More cases then.
Tell you what, a lot of folk seem to need glasses these days, lets mandate eye testing, lets test everyone, millions of us. You know what? There will be an epidemic of bad eyesight like never seen before. The NHS will be overwhelmed by folk needing operations, glasses, contact lenses etc. We won't be able to cope. The BBC and the rest will wrack their brains to find out the cause of this eyesight epidemic. They will have hours and hours of coverage. Large coloufull graphics showing every eye disease known to man. The studio lights will be turned so dim the presenters will not be able to see each other. Tickertape reporting (bottom of screen) giving the latest eye test fail figures, car crashes reported daily caused by dodgy eyesight. Floodlights at sporting events will be banned, all kick offs at 11 in the morning. Then the whole world will catch on and bingo!! A pLandemic. Or should I say the whole world governments will read the script.

But wait, what's this? It was all planned months in advance? Right down to the order to stay indoors with the curtains closed. Lets call it Event 301. (Rather like the real Event 201)
Don't worry folks, put those eyeshades and dark glasses away. All I wrote there was pure fiction and the result of an overactive mind....or was it

But before you all ridicule me, how about I predicted all the madness that's happened over the past few months in say October 2019. Would you have called me a conspiracy theorist ? I bet my life you would.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:10 pm  

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote:

You may have missed an article yesterday about the rising UK hospital admissions the highest group is females between 30 and 40 quite a surprise to say that it initially hit minority and vulnerable groups and statistically more men.

I've found the current number of patients in English hospitals with COVID is currently 1,381 compared to our recorded lowest figure of 451 on 02-September following the peak in April (18,970).

I'm struggling to find any publications to support this claim regarding the age/gender of hospitalisation amongst women. I don't dispute community testing results which shows women of this age range are currently the highest demographic to test positive but does that necessarily mean they are occupying a significant number of beds in hospital with COVID? At the moment without published data I would not believe this claim. Not to say its not true I would want to see data to support it.

Also worth considering, how many of these women at this age range get admitted to hospital for treatment of another illness and were tested for COVID upon admission but are actually asymptomatic and show no COVID symptoms?

Regardless of silly national mask mandates (look at daily Spain cases) or 10pm curfew (look at Belgium daily cases) its quite obvious that as we move into the Winter months these "community cases", hospital admissions and deaths will increase exponentially as they do every winter with COVID or without COVID.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:36 pm  

Miro wrote:

Define "factual evidence" It's easy to say but what does that translate as? Give me an example. Who's facts? A lot of people in hospital with the flu diagnosed as ........?
More testing than ever before ? More cases then.
Tell you what, a lot of folk seem to need glasses these days, lets mandate eye testing, lets test everyone, millions of us. You know what? There will be an epidemic of bad eyesight like never seen before. The NHS will be overwhelmed by folk needing operations, glasses, contact lenses etc. We won't be able to cope. The BBC and the rest will wrack their brains to find out the cause of this eyesight epidemic. They will have hours and hours of coverage. Large coloufull graphics showing every eye disease known to man. The studio lights will be turned so dim the presenters will not be able to see each other. Tickertape reporting (bottom of screen) giving the latest eye test fail figures, car crashes reported daily caused by dodgy eyesight. Floodlights at sporting events will be banned, all kick offs at 11 in the morning. Then the whole world will catch on and bingo!! A pLandemic. Or should I say the whole world governments will read the script.

But wait, what's this? It was all planned months in advance? Right down to the order to stay indoors with the curtains closed. Lets call it Event 301. (Rather like the real Event 201)
Don't worry folks, put those eyeshades and dark glasses away. All I wrote there was pure fiction and the result of an overactive mind....or was it

But before you all ridicule me, how about I predicted all the madness that's happened over the past few months in say October 2019. Would you have called me a conspiracy theorist ? I bet my life you would.

Factual evidence number of confirmed positive tests v number of deaths related to positive tests as collated Internationally.

You carry on with your crusade mate I just don't agree with you but if you would like a tour of a Covid Ward let me know I must just be able to assist. In the meantime get yourself to Specsavers for an up to date eye test before everyone swamps the opticians

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:57 pm  

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote:

Factual evidence number of confirmed positive tests v number of deaths related to positive tests as collated Internationally.

You carry on with your crusade mate I just don't agree with you but if you would like a tour of a Covid Ward let me know I must just be able to assist. In the meantime get yourself to Specsavers for an up to date eye test before everyone swamps the opticians

Aww, you coulda put a smiley at the end

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:52 pm  

Miro wrote:

Aww, you coulda put a smiley at the end

Mate I would have but it doesn't do it from my phone on this app for some reason this one if it works is by the old method!