Re: Leeds Rhinos vs Wakefield Trinity (Friday 10th March) : Sat Mar 11, 2023 10:45 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

The question is how much will relegation cost compared to spending to survive. We lose the Sky money, lower away support and we will have to start repaying the ground purchase. The decision is for others to make but the outcome for us to live with.

Let me tell you as a Leigh fan, relegation is not the doom and gloom you think it is.

Firstly you get a parachute payment of £500k, all contracts are null and void so you can clear the roster if needs be and retain who you want.
There are some great players in the championship who have good jobs so playing outside of SL suits them, all games are Sunday afternoons which is by far the best bit and can have a positive effect on crowds and there are some really well supported teams in the championship that will travel due to Sunday games.

The championship has a large Yorkshire contingent so I could see some decent crowds at yours on a Sunday, Championship rugby has some of the most exciting games and is less structured than SL so it makes for a more entertaining game.

Overall it gives you time to clear the decks, reset, rebuild and start to win some games and plan for a further assault on SL with less pressure.

I personally like the championship, it’s a much friendlier place where you can get back to enjoying the game again and now with the new IMG structure is not the death sentence it used to be.

Re: Leeds Rhinos vs Wakefield Trinity (Friday 10th March) : Sat Mar 11, 2023 11:10 am  

Binosh wrote:

Let me tell you as a Leigh fan, relegation is not the doom and gloom you think it is.

Firstly you get a parachute payment of £500k, all contracts are null and void so you can clear the roster if needs be and retain who you want.
There are some great players in the championship who have good jobs so playing outside of SL suits them, all games are Sunday afternoons which is by far the best bit and can have a positive effect on crowds and there are some really well supported teams in the championship that will travel due to Sunday games.

The championship has a large Yorkshire contingent so I could see some decent crowds at yours on a Sunday, Championship rugby has some of the most exciting games and is less structured than SL so it makes for a more entertaining game.

Overall it gives you time to clear the decks, reset, rebuild and start to win some games and plan for a further assault on SL with less pressure.

I personally like the championship, it’s a much friendlier place where you can get back to enjoying the game again and now with the new IMG structure is not the death sentence it used to be.

Think you have a point.

I also think we're probably better placed than back in 95 when we were surplus to super league requirements, in more ways than one.

We do have quite a bit of deadwood which it would give us that opportunity, but at the same time we have some good young players coming through, which they may not be quite ready for week in, week out super league, but at this stage would go well in the championship. Added to this, some smart, but realistic signings, things may look better over the long haul.

Re: Leeds Rhinos vs Wakefield Trinity (Friday 10th March) : Sat Mar 11, 2023 11:22 am  

Binosh wrote:

Firstly you get a parachute payment of £500k, all contracts are null and void so you can clear the roster if needs be and retain who you want.

No you don’t. It is linked to the TV money and that was the figure under the previous deal, something which was still in place when Leigh went down. It it now less than that and only available if you run a full time squad, something Leigh could do thanks to a generous benefactor. Not having that luxury would make that difficult, look at Toulouse this year having only a 19 or 20 man squad. They can cope as they are using the better young from elite one to fill the gaps, again that doesn’t count for us. Relegation would not be good for us in any way shape or form.

Re: Leeds Rhinos vs Wakefield Trinity (Friday 10th March) : Sat Mar 11, 2023 11:27 am  

Binosh wrote:

Let me tell you as a Leigh fan, relegation is not the doom and gloom you think it is.

Firstly you get a parachute payment of £500k, all contracts are null and void so you can clear the roster if needs be and retain who you want.
There are some great players in the championship who have good jobs so playing outside of SL suits them, all games are Sunday afternoons which is by far the best bit and can have a positive effect on crowds and there are some really well supported teams in the championship that will travel due to Sunday games.

The championship has a large Yorkshire contingent so I could see some decent crowds at yours on a Sunday, Championship rugby has some of the most exciting games and is less structured than SL so it makes for a more entertaining game.

Overall it gives you time to clear the decks, reset, rebuild and start to win some games and plan for a further assault on SL with less pressure.

I personally like the championship, it’s a much friendlier place where you can get back to enjoying the game again and now with the new IMG structure is not the death sentence it used to be.

That’s a great post,
Some very good and valid points made, there is certainly some positives to playing in the Championship and teams such as Widnes accepted that Championship RL isn’t the end of the world.

At Wakefield we don’t have a Derek Beaumont whose mood can swing him toward an assault on SL at any given moment. That means we have to fight to stay where we are or emulate Widnes and accept Championship level RL thus abandoning the ambitions of being a top Super League club forever

Re: Leeds Rhinos vs Wakefield Trinity (Friday 10th March) : Sat Mar 11, 2023 11:35 am  

Good post Binosh,you've made the Championship sound quite appealing.The difference between Leigh and Wakey though,is that you have a 'money man' backing you who is prepared to fund whatever it takes to get into,and stay,in SL,and good luck to you.The reality of our situation is that we haven't been able to,in a make or break season, strengthen an already weak squad.This lack of money would not bode well for us if we get relegated.
Just noticed some similar posts have gone in but will post this all the same!

Re: Leeds Rhinos vs Wakefield Trinity (Friday 10th March) : Sat Mar 11, 2023 11:41 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

The question is how much will relegation cost compared to spending to survive. We lose the Sky money, lower away support and we will have to start repaying the ground purchase. The decision is for others to make but the outcome for us to live with.

Every time we "spend", the chickens always come home to roost. Ted, Pearman and Glover all wore the emperor's new clothes during the last 25 years. We probably found our true self sustaining level during the 1980's, as a yoyo club, and only had sustainable success during the 1960's with a money man behind the scenes.
It must be tough to accept for fans under 30 years old though.

Re: Leeds Rhinos vs Wakefield Trinity (Friday 10th March) : Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:18 pm  

Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo wrote:

Every time we "spend", the chickens always come home to roost. Ted, Pearman and Glover all wore the emperor'
s clothes during the last 25 years. We probably found our true self sustaining level during the 1980's, as a yoyo club, and only had sustainable success during the 1960's with a money man behind the scenes.
It must be tough to accept for fans under 30 years old though.

I accepted last May/June that if, by some miracle, we stayed up given how we were playing, 2023 would be just a rinse and repeat and we'd face the same old poop again. We are not sustainable at this level and it's really no fun anymore.

Re: Leeds Rhinos vs Wakefield Trinity (Friday 10th March) : Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:50 pm  

[quote="Binosh"]Let me tell you as a Leigh fan, relegation is not the doom and gloom you think it is.

Firstly you get a parachute payment of £500k, all contracts are null and void so you can clear the roster if needs be and retain who you want.
There are some great players in the championship who have good jobs so playing outside of SL suits them, all games are Sunday afternoons which is by far the best bit and can have a positive effect on crowds and there are some really well supported teams in the championship that will travel due to

The championship has a large Yorkshire contingent so I could see some decent crowds at yours on a Sunday, Championship rugby has some of the most exciting games and is less structured than SL so it makes for a more entertaining game.

Overall it gives you time to clear the decks, reset, rebuild and start to win some games and plan for a further assault on SL with less pressure.

I personally like the championship, it’s a much friendlier place where you can get back to enjoying the game again and now with the new IMG structure is not the death sentence it used to be.[/quote]

Very sensible post!

Re: Leeds Rhinos vs Wakefield Trinity (Friday 10th March) : Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:51 pm  

Still not sure if it's too early to post as last night hurt like hell.
Having gone 3 games without registering a point, it's crystal clear that we have ZERO creativity.
We had enough ball in Leeds 20, especially in the first half, to win 3 games and yet we were utterly clueless.

Well done for those who made the short trip over to Leeds but, based on our opening 4 games, we are staring down the barrel (already)..
Our defence was ok in the first half but, deary me, we were bloody awful with ball in hand.

Too slow, especially in the halves and not enough umph in the pack.

We cleared out all of our top earners last season and have replaced each one with someone of inferior ability and to improve, we needed to sign better or equal to what we had.

Losing Murphy is obviously a huge blow but, with the passible exception of Kershaw, we're just too slow in everything that we do.

Leeds lifted their line speed after the break and it killed us.

Unless we can find a quality HB an a Fifita style prop and persuade them to come to Wakefield, we're screwed

Re: Leeds Rhinos vs Wakefield Trinity (Friday 10th March) : Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:56 pm  

Relegation would kill us...just look what it did to Bradford, London, Widnes, Sheffield and Halifax as that is where we are headed unless something drastic changes NOW. As other's have said, we don't have a Beaumont to bank-roll us and unless we get one in the next few months then sadly, it's Championship here we come