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Re: AGM/EGM tonight : Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:27 pm  
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Classic example of why this game and the RFL are bent and corrupt. The RFL should be made to expain their decisions.

There is no way Crusaders will be demoted whilst they owe that kind of money. It makes a mockery of the game. It is no longer a game of who is good enough to survive in SL. Its about who the RFL want there!


Its better than that, the RFLs IN HOUSE solicitor Rod Findlay is apparently the one who will assess the applications!

The same Rod Findlay who has just been appolnted Chief Executive of the Crusaders!
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Re: AGM/EGM tonight : Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:28 pm  
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Have the club not considered offering various share amounts? Clearly, there will be fans who would be willing to put money in but not at a grand.

I think it is going to be a tough ask to get 500 people at the proposed level, but there maybe more able to pay smaller amounts (4 people paying 250 each is better than none of them contributing)


I think they have to start at a grand. If you can find 3 others, you can get a cert in joint names.

There may also be some willing to pay more - which would be much better!

There was also a suggestion of splitting the payment over 3 years - would that help?
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Re: AGM/EGM tonight : Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:30 pm  
This is my take on lasts nights meeting and the main points that were raised.

1. First we had an update on Newmarket and the public enquiry by IA and then the shareholders
were addressed how they could help with the new pledge. All the details on this are already on here on the sticky.

2.We were told about the ground situation regarding our licence application and the shareholders were
asked to show their various preferences. Plan B was carried by a massive majority. If none of you can 't work out what it is then hard luck :wink:

3. we were then told about the clubs financial shortfall and how the BOD wanted to step down etc ,all this already covered on here.

4. We were also given details of 2 possible takeover parties who both backed out at the 11th hour.

The way I see it is that our main problem is that we don't have enough supporters to give the club the financial platform to perform at the highest level. This subject has been done to death on here for years so lets leave this one for now.

However the other main problem is down to Wood and SL. This franchise system is the main cause of all our problems. There is no doubt the uncertainty is the main reason the 2 investors pulled back. Its the main reason we can't attract the loans or investment to cover our short term cash shortfall. People now refer to SL as a business first and a sport second, but how can any business plan and survive if there is a third party going to make a decision on its future in a couple of months time and you have no control over the outcome. How can any sane person invest in our club and in 5 months time it could technically disappear.
Also investors know that their money will be paying off historic debt. The same investors have just witnessed another club go bankrupt then emerge debt free along with an interest free loan of £700K over ten years. That is a really attractive proposition for any potential investor and they are asking why we can't do the same ? Both these investors approached the SL to get clarification on this and SL would not even talk to them at first. They were eventually told that Wakefield would not be getting the benefits given to the Wrexham club.
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Re: AGM/EGM tonight : Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:32 pm  
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I think they have to start at a grand. If you can find 3 others, you can get a cert in joint names.

There may also be some willing to pay more - which would be much better!

There was also a suggestion of splitting the payment over 3 years - would that help?


Won't spreading the payment over 3 years defeat the objective?
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Re: AGM/EGM tonight : Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:33 pm  
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I don't think you can seperate the two, in attempting to secure Wakefields future you surely have to question the RFLs inequality of treatment between Crusaders and Trinity not to mention Blackpool etc.


Not when the RFL are the ones making the call. Wakey can kick and scream about Crusaders all they like, it won't make any difference (see Leigh's reaction to the SL licence decision for an example). Wakey should just concentrate on getting their own house sorted, getting a home secured for the next three years and making the best case they can to the RFL later this year. There's no use wasting energy on asking questions about the dealings between expansion clubs and the RFL because you know as well as I do, the decision for expansion club licences was made a long time ago.
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Re: AGM/EGM tonight : Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:35 pm  
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Won't spreading the payment over 3 years defeat the objective?

I suppose the shortfall could be made up with a loan guaranteed against future instalments.
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Re: AGM/EGM tonight : Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:36 pm  
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You are correct - there is a share option available and details will be sent out to all existing shareholders imminently. The gist is - are there 500 people willing to invest £1k to raise £500k and re-capitalise the club - by the 31st January. If that can be achieved - the BoD will resign en masse and offer new people the opportunity to step forward and take over the running of the club.

The money would be paid into an ESCO (?) account, which is a holding account, and should an insufficient amount be raised, then the money would automatically be returned. If the target is reached, the money will be converted into shares, with Ted's existing shares transferred into a Trust or similar.

Failure is not an option, although efforts continue to try and entice an investor into the club.

As a general comment, please do not confuse the frustration of not knowing details with bad management. The club are inbetween a rock and a hard place on these matters - they have been heavily criticised by many for not having a shareholders meeting, now they have and, quite rightly I'm afraid to say, the shareholders are entitled to first dibs on new details about the club - they do own it!

Those that were there were given an honest and full account of all the ongoings over recent months, which partly explained the delay in holding a shareholders meeting. We were told the details of 2 major investors (one is our sponsor) who spent weeks each going through the books and then surprising everyone by pulling out. Part of the reason for their withdrawal lies with the situation created by the RFL and Crusaders!

More energy needs to be directed as to why the new Welsh club have a £700k loan from the RFL, yet we were refused £350k - even when granted security against the NM site.

I'm not quite sure how or when the club will reveal more details from last nights meeting, but I've set the ball rolling here - maybe prematurely - so the question is - are we willing to pay up to secure RL in Wakefield and, for all those Ted bashers, here is your chance!

thanks TRB very informative.
What is the significance of £500k?
Would ALL the money go into the club?
Would ALL the directors leave unconditionally?
Would any new investors inherit any debt and if so how much?
If there is debt is this what may have put off other potential investors?
If we were to go into admin, would that make us debt free (or reduced) would we be still favoured as the crusaders seem to be, and a better investment to investors?
Are the other investors available to "the supporters trust" for discussion?
What do you believe is the likelihood of us raising either the amount of £, or the amount of investors?
Is there a compromise, on either the £valuation or the make up of how/Where the cash comes from?
Will someone, figurehead this process, and keep the masses informed?
Sorry for all the questions, but they will need answering before anyone is daft enough to hand over their cash.
Lots of good answers and im in. :D
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Re: AGM/EGM tonight : Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:38 pm  
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Its better than that, the RFLs IN HOUSE solicitor Rod Findlay is apparently the one who will assess the applications!

The same Rod Findlay who has just been appolnted Chief Executive of the Crusaders!

conflict of interests?????????????????
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Re: AGM/EGM tonight : Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:41 pm  
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Won't spreading the payment over 3 years defeat the objective?


No because as I understand it arrangements will be made to enable you to borrow the £1,000 over 3 years so the club gets the cash up front and you get your 1,000 shares.
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Re: AGM/EGM tonight : Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:43 pm  
So if we raise the 500k and the BOD steps down, who is going to run the club?
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