Re: The **** has hit the fan : Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:40 pm  

chissitt wrote:

Isn't he doing his job then? are the bills not getting paid? where's the money come from for this last batch of players?
Please point out where he has said unfortunately nobody will put any money in so we'll just drift into oblivion.
If you can actually point out with some hard facts where he's not doing his job, please enlighten those who think that under the present circumstances he is actually doing okay.

This is the problem- many want to jump down on MC etc suggesting he’s tight, he’s a skinflint etc etc.
I say to them you go with your one pound coin and buy the club (believe MC has said in the past he will sell for a pound). Run the club as debt free as he has- oh and then sink 500k of your own money into it - no return, wave goodbye to it, and then you can complain.
Just be grateful we still have a club because you know we Wouldn’t have without M C at the wheel!

Re: The **** has hit the fan : Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:16 am  

PopTart wrote:

Ahh there we see it.
Must be a sad life when you get your kicks coming on a forum you care nothing about, just to tell people you don't like their club.

Support your own team if you can. Leave us to support ours however we see fit.

Short and sweet and perfectly summed up, nice one

Re: The **** has hit the fan : Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:51 am  

PopTart wrote:

Ahh there we see it.
Must be a sad life when you get your kicks coming on a forum you care nothing about, just to tell people you don't like their club.

Support your own team if you can. Leave us to support ours however we see fit.

can you blame her after years of waiting to win the challenge cup to fall so close, I said then she'd come on here at the back end of the season to gloat about our demise but seems she couldn't wait that long

Re: The **** has hit the fan : Wed Jul 20, 2022 8:01 am  

chissitt wrote:

Isn't he doing his job then? are the bills not getting paid? where's the money come from for this last batch of players?
Please point out where he has said unfortunately nobody will put any money in so we'll just drift into oblivion.
If you can actually point out with some hard facts where he's not doing his job, please enlighten those who think that under the present circumstances he is actually doing okay.

Do you think that just "paying the bills" is the job of a CEO ?
One of his major roles if not the major is to keep our club in the elite level of rugby league,this is getting more and more unlikely year on year
Other major parts of his job include
Increase supporter base,increase major sponsors,improve facilities,be competitive in the competition,spend upto the salary cap to have the best on the field possible
All of the above bring in much needed revenue which makes the above easier and so on and so on.
Have any of the above been achieved?
Supporter numbers is horrendous (we are a BIG city compared to a lot of other teams),Major sponsorship not improved,facilities have not improved over his tenure (yes it is starting now but still not done),we are not competitive competitive in the competition and have been getting worse over time.We openly don't spend up to the salary cap unlike most if not all of the other clubs
I'm not saying he's not trying or not doing his best and hasn't done what he can for the club but these 3 things does not mean you are doing a good job
I know I keep referring to supermarkets but what would happen to the CEO of One of the big ones if they suddenly started dropping down the order of the bog boys,footfall dropped and they started lagging behind their other competitor's.
Do you think the statement of we are still paying the bills would suffice or would something else be done ?

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Re: The **** has hit the fan : Wed Jul 20, 2022 8:46 am  

Trinhomeandaway wrote:

Do you think that just "paying the bills" is the job of a CEO ?
One of his major roles if not the major is to keep our club in the elite level of rugby league,this is getting more and more unlikely year on year
Other major parts of his job include
Increase supporter base,increase major sponsors,improve facilities,be competitive in the competition,spend upto the salary cap to have the best on the field possible
All of the above bring in much needed revenue which makes the above easier and so on and so on.
Have any of the above been achieved?
Supporter numbers is horrendous (we are a BIG city compared to a lot of other teams),Major sponsorship not improved,facilities have not improved over his tenure (yes it is starting now but still not done),we are not competitive competitive in the competition and have been getting worse over time.We openly don't spend up to the salary cap unlike most if not all of the other clubs
I'm not saying he's not trying or not doing his best and hasn't done what he can for the club but these 3 things does not mean you are doing a good job
I know I keep referring to supermarkets but what would happen to the CEO of One of the big ones if they suddenly started dropping down the order of the bog boys,footfall dropped and they started lagging behind their other competitor's.
Do you think the statement of we are still paying the bills would suffice or would something else be done ?

So.
Ground improvements. He could have done little things to make it better but he's put his effort into a big project to make it permanently better, so is sustainable and long term. Success to me
Crowds are down across all clubs. We are in financially difficult times. So the measure should be in that context.
And also, it isn't really about the crowds, it's about the revenue generated. Its no good dropping prices to get larger footfall and make less money. That applies to Asda too.
Corporate boxes always seem pretty busy to me. I'd like to see your figures to say they are not good enough.
We can't just spend money we don't have.
I'm certain he isnt perfect. I don't know him but no chairman/CEO has done better in the last 50 years.

Re: The **** has hit the fan : Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:26 am  

PopTart wrote:

So.
Ground improvements. He could have done little things to make it better but he's put his effort into a big project to make it permanently better, so is sustainable and long term. Success to me
Crowds are down across all clubs. We are in financially difficult times. So the measure should be in that context.
And also, it isn't really about the crowds, it's about the revenue generated. Its no good dropping prices to get larger footfall and make less money. That applies to Asda too.
Corporate boxes always seem pretty busy to me. I'd like to see your figures to say they are not good enough.
We can't just spend money we don't have.
I'm certain he isnt perfect. I don't know him but no chairman/CEO has done better in the last 50 years.

I feel you are thinking with your heart in the club and your loyalty to us
Take emotion and loyalty out of it and I think you would come up with a different view.
Do.you think ANYONE "outside" our club thinks that the club has been run successfully for the last 10 years Etc. (They see it without the emotion we have)
We are a BIG city compared to most of the other clubs and need to realise the potential we have not just drift along
Again I'm not saying his heart is not in it or isn't trying his best but is this good enough,we need to look at how and why other clubs have got the investment they have and follow suit

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Re: The **** has hit the fan : Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:37 am  

Trinhomeandaway wrote:

I feel you are thinking with your heart in the club and your loyalty to us
Take emotion and loyalty out of it and I think you would come up with a different view.
Do.you think ANYONE "outside" our club thinks that the club has been run successfully for the last 10 years Etc. (They see it without the emotion we have)
We are a BIG city compared to most of the other clubs and need to realise the potential we have not just drift along
Again I'm not saying his heart is not in it or isn't trying his best but is this good enough,we need to look at how and why other clubs have got the investment they have and follow suit

What I'm saying is you are not considering that Wakefield has never had big crowds in the last 50 years, even with good teams. We have been in admin a number of times.
So in that context, Carter is doing better than anyone else. We are not financially at risk. We were when he took over.
So I agree he hasn't made us a money making club, but nor has anyone else, and considering the reduced gates in covid times and the reduced Sky money this year, I reckon we've been quite successful.
I think you are thinking in the context of the on field performance.
We have a successful academy, which is well regarded by others and a reserve side before others were forced to do it. And we are not financially vulnerable. From what I can see, other clubs would very much like someone like Carter running their show.

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Re: The **** has hit the fan : Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:42 am  

Also, the 'loyalty' and 'blind faith' argument is for people who can't make their point. I think you can.
I've been a supporter since the 70s. I love the club and will always support.
But I've been happy when we've changed coaches in the past or got rid of players some like.

All I do is call people out when they find one fault and make up 3 others to try and fit their preconceived ideas they can't prove.

Re: The **** has hit the fan : Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:44 am  

People don't do that on here.....do they ??

Re: The **** has hit the fan : Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:13 am  

PopTart wrote:

What I'm saying is you are not considering that Wakefield has never had big crowds in the last 50 years, even with good teams. We have been in admin a number of times.
So in that context, Carter is doing better than anyone else. We are not financially at risk. We were when he took over.
So I agree he hasn't made us a money making club, but nor has anyone else, and considering the reduced gates in covid times and the reduced Sky money this year, I reckon we've been quite successful.
I think you are thinking in the context of the on field performance.
We have a successful academy, which is well regarded by others and a reserve side before others were forced to do it. And we are not financially vulnerable. From what I can see, other clubs would very much like someone like Carter running their show.

Whilst I can agree on some of your points I really can't agree on some of the others
You state we are NOT financially vulnerable,yet if we do drop into the championship that really could spell the end as we know it as most of the revenue streams will dry up as well as the sky money
Having a successful academy and reserve side yes I agree but as for other clubs wishing they had a Mr Carter running the show I can't think of any to be honest.
I was talking to a few of our fans over at KR last week and the concensus I got was that they agreed with most of what I've said on here but we're reluctant to say it due to the loyalty and we need to support them no matter what