Re: next up Hudd - Sheff - Friday 5th April : Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:28 am  

Certainly not a cheat, just a poor ref unfortunately.

I was at a Hull KR game earlier in the year, and he was the ref in that game. He was just as poor, then, as he had been for us in the past couple of weeks.

Re: next up Hudd - Sheff - Friday 5th April : Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:29 am  

Mick Amos 9 WTW wrote:

As I mentioned on the other thread. The attacker cannot deliberately throw the ball at a defender which he did whether wrong side or not. He must have been all of 1 1/2 foot high in the crouch position. Unless the receiver is 3 foot high the pass wasn't going to another player. He clearly throws it down towards the defender which is a penalty to us.

Having watched it back I'm astounded how much Dave gets held down but pinged for 4 pens himself. The offsides is debatable whether the linesman was telling him but they usually do.


The RFL statement read: “Following a review of the first two weeks of the Betfred Super League season, it has become clear that some players are deliberately passing a ball into a player with the sole intention of forcing the Match Official to award a penalty for offside.”

“Having reviewed these incidents, Rugby Football League Head of Match Officials, Steve Ganson, has written to all Head Coaches and made it clear that in these situations, Match Officials have now been instructed to consider Section 15 (i) of the Laws of the Game which state that a player is guilty of misconduct if he behaves in any way contrary to the true spirit of the game.

“This does not in any way absolve a defender of his responsibilities to clear the ruck and the defending team will still be penalised should the Match Official deem he is interfering with play.”

No you’re wrong!

The review by the RFL only opens up the option for the Referee to “consider” awarding a penalty for misconduct, it doesn’t dictate that he must!

Ben Thaler opts to ignore these incidents and tells the players to get on with it. Robert Hicks seems to give the penalty to the attacking side. Other Referees have very occasionally awarded the misconduct penalty.

I’d like to see Referees en block, award the misconduct penalty which would soon bring an end to the cynical grubby tactic altogether.

Re: next up Hudd - Sheff - Friday 5th April : Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:37 am  

The Avenger wrote:

No you’re wrong!

The review by the RFL only opens up the option for the Referee to “consider” awarding a penalty for misconduct, it doesn’t dictate that he must!

Ben Thaler opts to ignore these incidents and tells the players to get on with it. Robert Hicks seems to give the penalty to the attacking side. Other Referees have very occasionally awarded the misconduct penalty.

I’d like to see Referees en block, award the misconduct penalty which would soon bring an end to the cynical grubby tactic altogether.

We went through a phase maybe 12 months ago, slightly more after this announcement of the referees penalising the cheat. This hasn't been followed through. Technically when I said penalty to us is wrong, they can say play on, I agree but to penalise the defender is woeful. It's the way the games going sadly and it's disgraceful. Cheating is rewarded in many areas.

Re: next up Hudd - Sheff - Friday 5th April : Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:25 pm  

we won ugly and that is what we needed and will need to do for the rest of the season!


great job all concerned

Re: next up Hudd - Sheff - Friday 5th April : Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:19 am  

I don't buy the view that the ref was cheating - he was incompetent and out of his depth - but not cheating.

With regards the now infamous passing the ball into a defender deliberately - the frustrating thing about that is we now have a new inconsistency; as someone else said, Ben Thaler is in the habit of admonishing the attacker and waving play on - Robert Hicks seems to go either way - but this lad was willingly old-manned by a blatant and obvious deliberate act. He chose not to exercise the discretion he's been awarded by Ganson, and just went straight for the penalty - the result being that the player and the coach involved will continue to use that strategy.

I was fulsome about Big Dave straight after the match btw - I also want to echo the comments about Reece Lyne; I hear howls of frustration about his sideways runs from the terrace, but these days, they are causing absolute chaos in defensive lines and setting up some scores - he's probably one of the most improved players we've had for some years. Lovely stuff.

Re: next up Hudd - Sheff - Friday 5th April : Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:38 am  

bren2k wrote:

I don't buy the view that the ref was cheating - he was incompetent and out of his depth - but not cheating.

With regards the now infamous passing the ball into a defender deliberately - the frustrating thing about that is we now have a new inconsistency; as someone else said, Ben Thaler is in the habit of admonishing the attacker and waving play on - Robert Hicks seems to go either way - but this lad was willingly old-manned by a blatant and obvious deliberate act. He chose not to exercise the discretion he's been awarded by Ganson, and just went straight for the penalty - the result being that the player and the coach involved will continue to use that strategy.

I was fulsome about Big Dave straight after the match btw - I also want to echo the comments about Reece Lyne; I hear howls of frustration about his sideways runs from the terrace, but these days, they are causing absolute chaos in defensive lines and setting up some scores - he's probably one of the most improved players we've had for some years. Lovely stuff.

I think nowadays there is on this forum a truly pedantry mentality (not a dig at you).

You're right of course he wasn't cheating in the true sense of the word but in RL calling the ref a cheat has a different meaning, I think we have all been around long enough to know that. However for those who don't, people mean that he cheated us out of and advantage we should have got by beingeither incompetant or as in this case gutless, in that he didn't have the bottle to pull a player for blatant cheating.

Basically he wasn't cheating personally but he was IMO sanctioning cheating. I say this because it doesn't matter how many times you view it and despite poptarts pleading he could not have missed it! In that sence he cheated the fans by willfully not making the correct call.

Re: next up Hudd - Sheff - Friday 5th April : Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:46 am  

vastman wrote:

I think nowadays there is on this forum a truly pedantry mentality (not a dig at you).

You're right of course he wasn't cheating in the true sense of the word but in RL calling the ref a cheat has a different meaning, I think we have all been around long enough to know that. However for those who don't, people mean that he cheated us out of and advantage we should have got by beingeither incompetant or as in this case gutless, in that he didn't have the bottle to pull a player for blatant cheating.

Basically he wasn't cheating personally but he was IMO sanctioning cheating. I say this because it doesn't matter how many times you view it and despite poptarts pleading he could not have missed it! In that sence he cheated the fans by willfully not making the correct call.

I tend to agree - but this is a form of pedantry that feels worth sticking with; we've all seen what's happened to referees in recent years - with one example being absolutely tragic. My view is that they are not sufficiently well trained, supported or developed - and that the directions they are given are chaotic and confusing, hence the inconsistency we see on the field from game to game. We talk a lot about wanting 2 refs, but at the rate we are losing them from the game, we won't even have enough for 1 per game.

I don't like to hear a stadium full of people chanting "cheat" or "wanxer" at a young fella - particularly when a lot of what they get wrong is because they are not sufficiently supported by the governing body, who seem happy to chop and change based on the new holy grail of 'speeding up the game.'

Re: next up Hudd - Sheff - Friday 5th April : Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:52 am  

bren2k wrote:

I tend to agree - but this is a form of pedantry that feels worth sticking with; we've all seen what's happened to referees in recent years - with one example being absolutely tragic. My view is that they are not sufficiently well trained, supported or developed - and that the directions they are given are chaotic and confusing, hence the inconsistency we see on the field from game to game. We talk a lot about wanting 2 refs, but at the rate we are losing them from the game, we won't even have enough for 1 per game.

I don't like to hear a stadium full of people chanting "cheat" or "wanxer" at a young fella - particularly when a lot of what they get wrong is because they are not sufficiently supported by the governing body, who seem happy to chop and change based on the new holy grail of 'speeding up the game.'

My lad started a reffing course last year, did two matched then dropped out due to a total lack of guidence, which is tragic because he was really up for it. You are right the training of our refs is beyond a joke and they do get no support. The head of refereeing clearly just wants to be a TV pundit, is it just me or does him being on SKY commenting on his charges performances just seem wrong. Rugby League is imo weakest at the top.

That said on this occasion that does not excuse the reff imo.

Re: next up Hudd - Sheff - Friday 5th April : Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:55 am  

vastman wrote:

My lad started a reffing course last year, did two matched then dropped out due to a total lack of guidence, which is tragic because he was really up for it. You are right the training of our refs is beyond a joke and they do get no support. The head of refereeing clearly just wants to be a TV pundit, is it just me or does him being on SKY commenting on his charges performances just seem wrong. Rugby League is imo weakest at the top.

That said on this occasion that does not excuse the reff imo.

Cummings isn't the boss anymore is he - I thought that was Ganson now?

Re: next up Hudd - Sheff - Friday 5th April : Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:00 am  

bren2k wrote:

Cummings isn't the boss anymore is he - I thought that was Ganson now?

I know but I think he was when he started doing it, might be wrong.