Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:55 am  

Miro wrote:

And before you strive to discredit the above RW&B, Pop Tart n all, ask yourself this...why? Why do they go to such lengths to manipulate these figures, why is so much money, running into millions, involved.
Why so much censorship of doctors, nurses and scientists. Surely the “terrible virus” can speak for itself simply by it's affect on people as they fall ill, But to go to these lengths, Why?

Last one on this for me your last 2 posts just wow!

Miro like U said you have your views I have mine but if you want to deconstruct everyone else's post in your favour here's one for you.

In America the Health system is private you have to pay for treatment if people can afford it they will pay and 33000 dollars to ventilate will be right it's business over there but they have very expensive health care. I have a colleague who lives in Missouri he tells me first hand it's carnage with people who cannot afford health care,they cannot afford to see a Dr or get an appoibrment. You berate others for believing or referencing data contrary to what you think then you reference American politics very classy!

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:10 am  

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote:

:roll: Last one on this for me your last 2 posts just wow!

Miro like U said you have your views I have mine but if you want to deconstruct everyone else's post in your favour here's one for you.

In America the Health system is private you have to pay for treatment if people can afford it they will pay and 33000 dollars to ventilate will be right it's business over there but they have very expensive health care. I have a colleague who lives in Missouri he tells me first hand it's carnage with people who cannot afford health care,they cannot afford to see a Dr or get an appoibrment. You berate others for believing or referencing data contrary to what you think then you reference American politics very classy!

Could not give a rats arris why they do what they do , the fact is, the bottom line is the numbers are wrong, fraudlently wrong but hey, continue quoting them if that's your bag. If these are the types you want to get in bed with then go for it, but don't expect to have any credibility with me.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:23 am  

Talking of numbers, I've just found a very interesting article online. To protect the interest of the clubs, staff, players and supporters of the game - Michael Carter and the RFL seriously need to asks questions of the current COVID testing system. I'd recommend to read and make sense of this Left leaning rag's take on the testing system, Huffington Post UK https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... WBw6R5v9-x If my understanding is correct then the whole testing system is flawed in a general community setting. This news site is in full support of the COVID measures yet admit that if the prevalence is extremely low in a community then "the number of false positives might be out of control ". The British Medical Journal created an interactive chart to show how this is measured on their website. "It only uses a sample size of 100 but if you set the test sensitivity to 80, round up the prevalence rate (pre-test probability) to 1 and the test specificity down to 99, you’ll see for every one true positive you get one false positive." That would mean then 50% of the positives would actually be false. More worryingly, if we then alter it to match the prevalence rate to that of the general community today it gets even more inaccurate. "The latest estimate from the Office for National Statistics suggests even though it is rising, only 0.11% of the population are currently infected with coronavirus based on positive test results." "if we could set the prevalence to 0.11%, we would get the 90% [false positive] figure" So if we test around 550 players and staff members a week we could be looking at 5 false positive which puts it in line with the current outcomes of COVID weekly tests in the Super League. Sam Watson senior lecturer at Birmingham University, said “if you turn up to a testing centre you’re already thinking: ‘I might have Covid’ and if you turn up with a cough and a fever then it’s probably quite a high probability that you have Covid.” As far as I can tell then these COVID tests should only be carried out on any staff members and players that displays the official symptoms.

Talking of numbers, I've just found a very interesting article online. To protect the interest of the clubs, staff, players and supporters of the game - Michael Carter and the RFL seriously need to asks questions of the current COVID testing system. I'd recommend to read and make sense of this Left leaning rag's take on the testing system, Huffington Post UK https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... WBw6R5v9-x If my understanding is correct then the whole testing system is flawed in a general community setting. This news site is in full support of the COVID measures yet admit that if the prevalence is extremely low in a community then "the number of false positives might be out of control ". The British Medical Journal created an interactive chart to show how this is measured on their website. "It only uses a sample size of 100 but if you set the test sensitivity to 80, round up the prevalence rate (pre-test probability) to 1 and the test specificity down to 99, you’ll see for every one true positive you get one false positive." That would mean then 50% of the positives would actually be false. More worryingly, if we then alter it to match the prevalence rate to that of the general community today it gets even more inaccurate. "The latest estimate from the Office for National Statistics suggests even though it is rising, only 0.11% of the population are currently infected with coronavirus based on positive test results." "if we could set the prevalence to 0.11%, we would get the 90% [false positive] figure" So if we test around 550 players and staff members a week we could be looking at 5 false positive which puts it in line with the current outcomes of COVID weekly tests in the Super League. Sam Watson senior lecturer at Birmingham University, said “if you turn up to a testing centre you’re already thinking: ‘I might have Covid’ and if you turn up with a cough and a fever then it’s probably quite a high probability that you have Covid.” As far as I can tell then these COVID tests should only be carried out on any staff members and players that displays the official symptoms.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:40 am  

Very interesting and rather in line with the information I have been researching. Collected quite a few anecdotes from people who have taken part in this shamble of a test. I may put them up later even though, to be fair, they are only hearsay but interesting non the less.

Interesting too that the usuall suspects are not on here disputing your post.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:30 am  

HERD IMMUNITY Interesting interview by Emma Barnett on the BBC with scientist Prof. Peter Oppenshaw of Imperial college London. (Bill Gates funded). One of the governments many advisers. Proof here. https://nationalfile.com/gates-foundati ... el-makers/ Who's right she asks, those scientists who believe we should have the tried and tested method of thousands of years...herd immunity those, or those who are against us developing herd immunity. He astonishingly uses an analogy between vaccers and anti-vaccers as an attempt to condemn his colleagues, (the majority of the scientific world) with the anti vaccer slur. Though, he readily admits, it's “healthy” for people / scientists to have different point of views even though anti vaccers, or even people who simply have not made their minds up, are effectively banned from the airwaves. Does he want these scientists to be banned also? But better than developing herd immunity, who's effectiveness over millennia he fails to deny despite being asked more than once, as we have since before Moses was in short pants, A better way he says (Bill Gates funded don't forget) “is for everyone to stay home and have the the vaccine at Christmas though he doesn't yet know if it will be ready for Christmas. ” Well, surprise, surprise.!!!. My question is though, if masks and anti social distancing plus lockdowns are preventing herd immunity from covid then by the same token it's preventing herd immunity for every other disease on the planet. So, what happens then when masks are no longer required (don't hold your breath...no pun intended) and they come off? Are all those children, as an example, going to be immune from goodness knows what? Just as we who grew up pre 2020 were. Or are vaccines now the answer to everything? P.S. And good on Emma Barnett though I suspect her P45 will soon be in the post.

HERD IMMUNITY Interesting interview by Emma Barnett on the BBC with scientist Prof. Peter Oppenshaw of Imperial college London. (Bill Gates funded). One of the governments many advisers. Proof here. https://nationalfile.com/gates-foundati ... el-makers/ Who's right she asks, those scientists who believe we should have the tried and tested method of thousands of years...herd immunity those, or those who are against us developing herd immunity. He astonishingly uses an analogy between vaccers and anti-vaccers as an attempt to condemn his colleagues, (the majority of the scientific world) with the anti vaccer slur. Though, he readily admits, it's “healthy” for people / scientists to have different point of views even though anti vaccers, or even people who simply have not made their minds up, are effectively banned from the airwaves. Does he want these scientists to be banned also? But better than developing herd immunity, who's effectiveness over millennia he fails to deny despite being asked more than once, as we have since before Moses was in short pants, A better way he says (Bill Gates funded don't forget) “is for everyone to stay home and have the the vaccine at Christmas though he doesn't yet know if it will be ready for Christmas. ” Well, surprise, surprise.!!!. My question is though, if masks and anti social distancing plus lockdowns are preventing herd immunity from covid then by the same token it's preventing herd immunity for every other disease on the planet. So, what happens then when masks are no longer required (don't hold your breath...no pun intended) and they come off? Are all those children, as an example, going to be immune from goodness knows what? Just as we who grew up pre 2020 were. Or are vaccines now the answer to everything? P.S. And good on Emma Barnett though I suspect her P45 will soon be in the post.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:01 pm  

Interesting facts in Ossett a break out with 19 positive tests 3 of which are in ICU now.

It's all open source for you researches on here as is the suspected source.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:40 pm  

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote:

Interesting facts in Ossett a break out with 19 positive tests 3 of which are in ICU now.

It's all open source for you researches on here as is the suspected source.

Nothing on the articles I've read make reference of them going to ICU, they state three of the people were admitted to hospital.

Anna Hartley's comments confirm to me she has no idea of the suspected source as quoted in the Wakey Express:

"There is lots of speculation about the source of the spread, but the evidence from contact tracing indicates that the transition is the result of community spread."

'Community spread' is a term that basically means authorities are unable to trace the source of the infection.

Track and trace still not working as it should then.

Hopefully all involved make a full quick recovery.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:26 pm  

Looks like the BBC and Sly News could be looking to hit us with a double whammy over Winter. Two separate graphs reporting on daily Coronvirus and Flu deaths/cases anyone? Reported last month "Coronavirus: New 90-minute tests for Covid-19 and flu 'hugely beneficial'. New 90-minute tests that can detect coronavirus and flu will be rolled out in hospitals and care homes from next week. The "on-the-spot" swab and DNA tests will help distinguish between Covid-19 and other seasonal illnesses, the government said. The health secretary said this would be "hugely beneficial" over the winter." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53632043 I suppose if the virus was to fizzle out then the Flu could give them something to fall back on. Context - currently around 1,750 people a week in England are admitted to hospital with Coronavirus forcing the Country into stricter restrictions. Considering in January 2018 the BBC reported "Around 5,000 people were admitted to hospital with flu in the first week of January, based on PHE figures for 22 out of 137 trusts." are we going to have to suffer more despair? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42652675 We were told lockdown was to flatten the curve back in March and "it was NOT the flu!!!". Fast forward six months, oh how times have changed.

Looks like the BBC and Sly News could be looking to hit us with a double whammy over Winter. Two separate graphs reporting on daily Coronvirus and Flu deaths/cases anyone? Reported last month "Coronavirus: New 90-minute tests for Covid-19 and flu 'hugely beneficial'. New 90-minute tests that can detect coronavirus and flu will be rolled out in hospitals and care homes from next week. The "on-the-spot" swab and DNA tests will help distinguish between Covid-19 and other seasonal illnesses, the government said. The health secretary said this would be "hugely beneficial" over the winter." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53632043 I suppose if the virus was to fizzle out then the Flu could give them something to fall back on. Context - currently around 1,750 people a week in England are admitted to hospital with Coronavirus forcing the Country into stricter restrictions. Considering in January 2018 the BBC reported "Around 5,000 people were admitted to hospital with flu in the first week of January, based on PHE figures for 22 out of 137 trusts." are we going to have to suffer more despair? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42652675 We were told lockdown was to flatten the curve back in March and "it was NOT the flu!!!". Fast forward six months, oh how times have changed.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:46 pm  

MatthewTrin wrote: Looks like the BBC and Sly News could be looking to hit us with a double whammy over Winter. Two separate graphs reporting on daily Coronvirus and Flu deaths/cases anyone? Reported last month "Coronavirus: New 90-minute tests for Covid-19 and flu 'hugely beneficial'. New 90-minute tests that can detect coronavirus and flu will be rolled out in hospitals and care homes from next week. The "on-the-spot" swab and DNA tests will help distinguish between Covid-19 and other seasonal illnesses, the government said. The health secretary said this would be "hugely beneficial" over the winter." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53632043 I suppose if the virus was to fizzle out then the Flu could give them something to fall back on. Context - currently around 1,750 people a week in England are admitted to hospital with Coronavirus forcing the Country into stricter restrictions. Considering in January 2018 the BBC reported "Around 5,000 people were admitted to hospital with flu in the first week of January, based on PHE figures for 22 out of 137 trusts." are we going to have to suffer more despair? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42652675 We were told lockdown was to flatten the curve back in March and "it was NOT the flu!!!". Fast forward six months, oh how times have changed. And this is where I came in back on page 4. and the previous thread. Amongst other things I wrote this. "But back to the question re Belle Vue. If, let us say, we needed 5,000 attending to break even and we can now sumize that will never be allowed nor should it so long as inflenza, let alone Covid-19 is lurking in the air. What of the future of Wakefield Trinity? And rugby league?" I have said all along, they (the powers that be) will not let this tyranny go and regular influenza is of course the elephant in the room. This has nothing to do with protecting us from a virus and the sooner the likes of Mr Carter, the RFL, FA and all non corporate industries realizes this and start to kick back the better. The people of this country have, in my opinion, backed themselves into a corner with this by blindly accepting all they have been told and the only way out is to say no to those psychopaths in Downing Street and those pulling their strings. The ramification of following all these dystopian rules will be worse, in the long run, than any flu season we have ever seen. Flu that we, the people, have coped with for thousands of years. And before the likes of Snowie and Pop Tart jump in no, this is not just about the future of rugby league. I looks like, thanks to your research MatthewTrin, that all I feared is now out in the open.

MatthewTrin wrote: Looks like the BBC and Sly News could be looking to hit us with a double whammy over Winter. Two separate graphs reporting on daily Coronvirus and Flu deaths/cases anyone? Reported last month "Coronavirus: New 90-minute tests for Covid-19 and flu 'hugely beneficial'. New 90-minute tests that can detect coronavirus and flu will be rolled out in hospitals and care homes from next week. The "on-the-spot" swab and DNA tests will help distinguish between Covid-19 and other seasonal illnesses, the government said. The health secretary said this would be "hugely beneficial" over the winter." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53632043 I suppose if the virus was to fizzle out then the Flu could give them something to fall back on. Context - currently around 1,750 people a week in England are admitted to hospital with Coronavirus forcing the Country into stricter restrictions. Considering in January 2018 the BBC reported "Around 5,000 people were admitted to hospital with flu in the first week of January, based on PHE figures for 22 out of 137 trusts." are we going to have to suffer more despair? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42652675 We were told lockdown was to flatten the curve back in March and "it was NOT the flu!!!". Fast forward six months, oh how times have changed. And this is where I came in back on page 4. and the previous thread. Amongst other things I wrote this. "But back to the question re Belle Vue. If, let us say, we needed 5,000 attending to break even and we can now sumize that will never be allowed nor should it so long as inflenza, let alone Covid-19 is lurking in the air. What of the future of Wakefield Trinity? And rugby league?" I have said all along, they (the powers that be) will not let this tyranny go and regular influenza is of course the elephant in the room. This has nothing to do with protecting us from a virus and the sooner the likes of Mr Carter, the RFL, FA and all non corporate industries realizes this and start to kick back the better. The people of this country have, in my opinion, backed themselves into a corner with this by blindly accepting all they have been told and the only way out is to say no to those psychopaths in Downing Street and those pulling their strings. The ramification of following all these dystopian rules will be worse, in the long run, than any flu season we have ever seen. Flu that we, the people, have coped with for thousands of years. And before the likes of Snowie and Pop Tart jump in no, this is not just about the future of rugby league. I looks like, thanks to your research MatthewTrin, that all I feared is now out in the open.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:56 pm  

Priceless
BBC journalist Emma Barnett on the BBC....”As an editorial policy we (the BBC) do not debate with ant-vaccers......even if they are right......"

You could not make this stuff up, no really.

And people get their news from this shower of s........ Not you Emma, respect, now get your P45.

And before the accusers jump in, No, I am not an anti-Vaccer, I, (like the BBC should be in a world where the press is alleged to be free) I am open minded........ at this moment in time.