Re: 2021 squad : Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:57 pm  

Luppylad wrote:

That squad as basically won around 8 games in about 40 v super league opposition apart from lino and a few that have left so we havent really strengthened other sl clubs have strengthened look at hr signings....where we may have got stronger is coaching department with last and poaching but will too many cooks spoil the broth...

Ill take 11th now lets get over this pandemic still in sl

It won eight games mainly because half those players were not available, it's well documented.

Now you're negative about the coaching set up, there really is no pleasing you, must be a joy round your gaff

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Re: 2021 squad : Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:03 pm  

Luppylad wrote:

That squad as basically won around 8 games in about 40 v super league opposition apart from lino and a few that have left so we havent really strengthened other sl clubs have strengthened look at hr signings....where we may have got stronger is coaching department with last and poaching but will too many cooks spoil the broth...

Ill take 11th now lets get over this pandemic still in sl

So, Lino being added is considerable strengthening imho.
And unfortunately the reason we haven't won many is because that team have not been on the field.
So now we've made it to an off season it all starts again this time.
Comparing to last season is a waste of time.

Re: 2021 squad : Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:05 pm  

vastman wrote:

It won eight games mainly because half those players were not available, it's not rocket science and it's well documented.

Now you're negative about the coaching for christ sake, either you're taking the mick or you only know how to moan.

Not been negative about coaching and you listed the full squad that SQUAD lost those games other than the players that have just left which some would argubly make us stronger ie koppy and bjb.

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Re: 2021 squad : Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:07 pm  

Luppylad wrote:

Not been negative about coaching and you listed the full squad that SQUAD lost those games other than the players that have just left which some would argubly make us stronger ie koppy and bjb.

You can argue that point all you like but this is the squad we have and at their best when fit they are capable of beating most if not all teams.

Re: 2021 squad : Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:18 pm  

PopTart wrote:

So, Lino being added is considerable strengthening imho.
And unfortunately the reason we haven't won many is because that team have not been on the field.
So now we've made it to an off season it all starts again this time.
Comparing to last season is a waste of time.

how ever you look at it vastman posted a full squad not a tean a squad and with a few exceptions that squad as lost alll those games and even though we had players out we still fielded 17 v 17 and adding 1 player who know one has seen play other than clips is not strengthening or you could say we have under strengthened with the players we have lost or would you rather have senior or kaye on wing instead of bjb. Look at a team like hull kr a team we prob on par with just finished above in last 2 seasons they have strengthened very well

And do you really think this is going to be any different in case you hadnt noticed covid still around

Re: 2021 squad : Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:20 pm  

[quote="PopTart"]You can argue that point all you like but this is the squad we have and at their best when fit they are capable of beating most if not all teams.[/


Your right it is what we got and right now ill settle for 11th place so we dont get relegated and hopefully build once covid as done one

Re: 2021 squad : Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:40 pm  

Luppylad wrote:

PopTart wrote:

So, Lino being added is considerable strengthening imho.
And unfortunately the reason we haven't won many is because that team have not been on the field.
So now we've made it to an off season it all starts again this time.
Comparing to last season is a waste of time.

how ever you look at it vastman posted a full squad not a tean a squad and with a few exceptions that squad as lost alll those games and even though we had players out we still fielded 17 v 17 and adding 1 player who know one has seen play other than clips is not strengthening or you could say we have under strengthened with the players we have lost or would you rather have senior or kaye on wing instead of bjb. Look at a team like hull kr a team we prob on par with just finished above in last 2 seasons they have strengthened very well

And do you really think this is going to be any different in case you hadnt noticed covid still around

You can’t have it both ways. You say Lino cannot be strengthening as nobody has seen him play. Yet the signing KR have made have strengthened them ... despite nobody seeing them play either. The simple fact is nobody will know till seasons underway.

Let’s be honest here the players we have lost have not weakened us in anything but depth.

Atkins
Kirmond
Brough

We’re all over the hill and hadn’t produced a good game in a long time. Truth be told we have better alternatives. No loss at all.

Koppy was marginally better but he didn’t stand up for me when we had all the injuries in the front row. Wasn’t overly impressed by him.

Gwaze no loss as barely played.

The only one I will give you as a loss is BJB.

As per the above we have lost some depth but only BJB in terms of quality not replaced by better or equal.

You say KR have strengthened. On paper they seem to have a much improved front row and forwards. However have you seen their backs and halfs? I don’t see much threat in that department.

The club have also invested in not just small but significant ballroom strengthening with Poching, last and the new physio/nutritionist. That could make a huge difference.

Plus players like batch/crowther/Jowitt a year older and looking like breaking through to regular good standard SL players.

There’s a lot to be positive about imho.

We literally only need 1/2 props and recruitment isn’t over just yet.

Honestly I’m looking forward to the new season.

Re: 2021 squad : Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:41 pm  

[quote="Luppylad"]

You're just arguing with yourself now. I don't honestly think if we signed the entire Aussie test team you'd be happy.

Re: 2021 squad : Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:50 pm  

Trojan Horse wrote:

You can’t have it both ways. You say Lino cannot be strengthening as nobody has seen him play. Yet the signing KR have made have strengthened them ... despite nobody seeing them play either. The simple fact is nobody will know till seasons underway.

Let’s be honest here the players we have lost have not weakened us in anything but depth.

Atkins
Kirmond
Brough

We’re all over the hill and hadn’t produced a good game in a long time. Truth be told we have better alternatives. No loss at all.

Koppy was marginally better but he didn’t stand up for me when we had all the injuries in the front row. Wasn’t overly impressed by him.

Gwaze no loss as barely played.

The only one I will give you as a loss is BJB.

As per the above we have lost some depth but only BJB in terms of quality not replaced by better or equal.

You say KR have strengthened. On paper they seem to have a much improved front row and forwards. However have you seen their backs and halfs? I don’t see much threat in that department.

The club have also invested in not just small but significant ballroom strengthening with Poching, last and the new physio/nutritionist. That could make a huge difference.

Plus players like batch/crowther/Jowitt a year older and looking like breaking through to regular good standard SL players.

There’s a lot to be positive about imho.

We literally only need 1/2 props and recruitment isn’t over just yet.

Honestly I’m looking forward to the new season.

Further to that, a number of youngsters got a leg up they probably wouldn't have otherwise. Some are far more known quantities than before and as such offer the coach far more options.

Croft and Walker, in particular, played themselves into serious contention for this year, that simply wouldn't have happened so soon under normal circumstances.

Ditto Aydin and Bailey who both got a look in and proved themselves capable if understandably a little green.

Last but not least Bowes who proved himself a real surprise package, still a bit off but the potential was there to see. Any other season he wouldn't have got near the first team. Chester was true to his word, with only Greensmith not given a run, which was unlucky.

I'm like you, I'm modestly optimistic that we may have been one of the teams to benefit from Covid damaged season and I realise that's not the best way to put it but you get the point.

Lets at least be pigging optimistic and at least back the lads before the seasons actually start's, if we can't even do them that courtesy, why should we expect them to return the compliment.

Re: 2021 squad : Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:58 pm  

Trojan Horse wrote:

You can’t have it both ways. You say Lino cannot be strengthening as nobody has seen him play. Yet the signing KR have made have strengthened them ... despite nobody seeing them play either. The simple fact is nobody will know till seasons underway.

Let’s be honest here the players we have lost have not weakened us in anything but depth.

Atkins
Kirmond
Brough

We’re all over the hill and hadn’t produced a good game in a long time. Truth be told we have better alternatives. No loss at all.

Koppy was marginally better but he didn’t stand up for me when we had all the injuries in the front row. Wasn’t overly impressed by him.

Gwaze no loss as barely played.

The only one I will give you as a loss is BJB.

As per the above we have lost some depth but only BJB in terms of quality not replaced by better or equal.

You say KR have strengthened. On paper they seem to have a much improved front row and forwards. However have you seen their backs and halfs? I don’t see much threat in that department.

The club have also invested in not just small but significant ballroom strengthening with Poching, last and the new physio/nutritionist. That could make a huge difference.

Plus players like batch/crowther/Jowitt a year older and looking like breaking through to regular good standard SL players.

There’s a lot to be positive about imho.

We literally only need 1/2 props and recruitment isn’t over just yet.

Honestly I’m looking forward to the new season.

To be fair koppy was good better than both green and tangata and atkins think we both can be right has before lockdown he was argubly one of the better players in the team but to be fair he didnt play after that.

I hope your right and we have a great year and if where 10 th or 11th ill be happy