Re: Catalans Away - Match Thread : Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:42 pm  

1315trinity wrote:

Pity you pick that up because I thought him and Arona had their best games for ages, against a big physical Catalans pack.

Not having a go at any team member 1315 I thought they all stood up exceptionally well against a far more experienced squad and came out of the encounter a far more Cohesive and workmanlike squad than I gave them credit for before kick off ,I’ll be honest I was hoping for damage limitation when I saw the team sheet ,but I think a lot in the world of rugby league will have seen the result and genuinely be surprised how close we got to turning them over in their own backyard.Poaching certainly has a headache incoming picking the team for saints after this showing .

Re: Catalans Away - Match Thread : Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:43 pm  

TimmySmith wrote:

Can you explain to me (without digging a deeper hole) the exact reason Drinkwaters is a schoolboy error yet Battyes wasn’t?

Both errors leading to a try except again one you’re taught to do right from being 5 years old “thats it little lad, pop the ball on the floor and roll it backwards” and the other comes a little further down the line and requires a little more skill.

Again? I explained it in the post so try reading it properly and dig yourself out of your own hole. If your going to try points scoring you need to be sharper than that sunshine.

I’ll reiterate one thing just so it’s clear even to you. I think the statement ‘schoolboy error’ is an utterly stupid one and hands up I’ve used it myself. It’s meaningless which is why commentators use it all the time.

Do you really think the game is as simple as that and there are no other factors or context to errors. Do you really think Battye doesn’t know how to play the bal and didn’t fully intend to do so or that he just couldn’t be bothered. Or is is it just what it was, an error brought on by being a human being whose been getting belted for the past 20 mins

One more thing, who are these players and teams who don’t make errors? I’ve watched every SOO and they are the pinnacle of the game yet I’ve seen some howlers in those games - explain why they are not schoolboy?

Re: Catalans Away - Match Thread : Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:43 pm  

vastman wrote:

Life doesn’t work like that though, not just in RL but in anything.

Personal question and you’re not obliged to answer but is your own life not littered with errors? Mine is. We’re they not mostly errors you were warned about as a child? Mine were.

Who are these perfect people? Do you think RL players are above normal human behaviour? Because they are not.

Doctors train for years but they still make errors. If you didn’t have errors in sport you wouldn’t have a sport, especially team sports. You’d just be watching 13 robots playing 13 robots and every game being a 0 - 0 draw.

Absolutely littered with errors but some things I learnt from a very early age, not to do again. Like try and eat my dinner quickly so I could get back out but forget about the fact that it’s piping hot and needs time to cool down. It happened, I learnt my lesson and guess what, these days I blow my food or give it more time to cool! If it was to happen again it would be a basic, silly, schoolboy error.

Life might not work like that but professional sport does, they train day in day out to drill the basics down so they perform to the best of their ability. Some times an error occurs and it’s something that is simply an error, maybe knocking on a ball that’s thrown to you in the pouring conditions but sometimes an error occurs like crossing, giving away a silly penalty after a difficult defensive set on your line (appreciate FIL this wasn’t actually blown for but does happen) or even a common one at Trinity, shooting out of the line leaving your winger to defend against 2-3 players. They, they are basic, silly, schoolboy errors.

Of course theyre not above human behaviour but it’s not to say there isn’t a difference between the kind of mistakes they make.

Re: Catalans Away - Match Thread : Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:46 pm  

TimmySmith wrote:

Fair enough mate, it was just from what Sky showed yesterday seemed to focus more on the hitting of the arm.

I guess the ref had already told Pitts and blew for offside, I’d imagine they’d still of called back should Pitts not have been off.

Schoolboy error from you there Tim, not as easy as it looks is it?

Re: Catalans Away - Match Thread : Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:53 pm  

vastman wrote:

Again? I explained it in the post so try reading it properly and dig yourself out of your own hole. If your going to try points scoring you need to be sharper than that sunshine.

I’ll reiterate one thing just so it’s clear even to you. I think the statement ‘schoolboy error’ is an utterly stupid one and hands up I’ve used it myself. It’s meaningless which is why commentators use it all the time.

Do you really think the game is as simple as that and there are no other factors or context to errors. Do you really think Battye doesn’t know how to play the bal and didn’t fully intend to do so or that he just couldn’t be bothered. Or is is it just what it was, an error brought on by being a human being whose been getting belted for the past 20 mins

One more thing, who are these players and teams who don’t make errors? I’ve watched every SOO and they are the pinnacle of the game yet I’ve seen some howlers in those games - explain why they are not schoolboy?

You didn’t explain anything, just waffled on to try and prove your point. The fact of the matter is Battye, to your own admission “an unforced error, a momentary lack of concentration.”. The momentary lack of concentration was doing one of the first things he will have been taught when playing rugby, something he’s done thousands of times, a rookie, schoolboy, basic error. Just because you don’t like the term doesn’t make it any less true.

Your last two paragraphs are pointless, never said any of that stuff so I won’t waste my time responding. Plus we’ll just diverge and discuss them, getting you away from this topic. (Probably what you were aiming for)

Re: Catalans Away - Match Thread : Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:56 pm  

Cambridge Dictionary definition by the way: a basic mistake, like one that a person with no experience of an activity would make.

Is anyone saying Battye (specifically for the sake of the topic) doesn’t have experience? No, absolutely not but in that moment of the game, it seemed that way.

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Re: Catalans Away - Match Thread : Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:01 pm  

TimmySmith wrote:

Cambridge Dictionary definition by the way: a basic mistake, like one that a person with no experience of an activity would make.

Is anyone saying Battye (specifically for the sake of the topic) doesn’t have experience? No, absolutely not but in that moment of the game, it seemed that way.

That's how I see it.
It's just an error.
A schoolboy error is when you intentionally do something that someone giving it more thought or more adult experience wouldn't have done.

Saying that it was an important one. Even though he only did what happened in another 50 ptb in the game, he did it in front of his posts and in front of the ref.
He needed to take more care.

Re: Catalans Away - Match Thread : Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:14 pm  

Anyway, apologies to anyone who didn’t want a debate over labelling errors.

End the week as on a positive, thanks to the 17 for a cracking game of rugby. Shame about the score but can’t say I wasn’t entertained or proud, maybe next time!

Re: Catalans Away - Match Thread : Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:24 pm  

Has anyone looked up the definition of "Pedantic"???????

Re: Catalans Away - Match Thread : Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:37 pm  

Redscat wrote:

Has anyone looked up the definition of "Pedantic"???????

Quite strange that an adult would need to find the definition but here you go??

excessively concerned with minor details or rules; overscrupulous.

I guess anyone WP speaks to about the game can call him pedantic