[PopTart]

Re: Finn time is up : Thu May 24, 2018 11:29 am  

I'm not in the know like some are where the young kids are concerned but I will say that you are not comparing like with like when you compare our youngsters with say Wigan Leeds or Sts and blaming the coach for us not developing them at the same rate.
Clearly the structure at cash rich clubs makes a difference but most of all it is the fact that they search for the best talent and bring them to their club before they are 16.
No disrespect to our current players as I know we have done similar and we have some talent, but Richardson as an example has not become a great player just by being thrown in the deep end at Sts to "give him a game". He had talent, both skill and physical, to start with and Sts new that when they signed him.

Re: Finn time is up : Thu May 24, 2018 11:35 am  

Surely Leeds will be looking to bring Jordan Lilley back into the mix of things with their injury crisis?

Re: Finn time is up : Thu May 24, 2018 11:41 am  

PopTart wrote:

No disrespect to our current players as I know we have done similar and we have some talent, but Richardson as an example has not become a great player just by being thrown in the deep end at Sts to "give him a game". He had talent, both skill and physical, to start with and Sts new that when they signed him.

I in no way suggested that anyone should just be 'given a game' - and I would argue that Jowitt, Johnstone and Batchelor had all the qualities you've described when they were signed. There is however an aspect of being effective in SL that can only be learnt by playing in SL; some clubs have the will and the bottle to create those opportunities - but we don't seem to be one of them.

Re: Finn time is up : Thu May 24, 2018 12:13 pm  

HB priority
Declan Patton
Matty Smith

Then god knows?? Jordan lilley may have something left in tank if willing to commit, but Leeds are in their yearly injury crisis when they drop out of top 4 for any longer than 4 weeks !!! So as already mentioned, a recall on the cards for him?

Re: Finn time is up : Thu May 24, 2018 12:19 pm  

As I thought... Jordan Lilley has been named in this weeks Leeds team. https://www.therhinos.co.uk/2018/05/24/ ... er-rhinos/

As I thought... Jordan Lilley has been named in this weeks Leeds team. https://www.therhinos.co.uk/2018/05/24/ ... er-rhinos/

Re: Finn time is up : Thu May 24, 2018 1:30 pm  

bren2k wrote:

I in no way suggested that anyone should just be 'given a game' - and I would argue that Jowitt, Johnstone and Batchelor had all the qualities you've described when they were signed. There is however an aspect of being effective in SL that can only be learnt by playing in SL; some clubs have the will and the bottle to create those opportunities - but we don't seem to be one of them.

Those with the will and the bottle, tend to be those that can afford the odd loss, Wigan, Saints, Warrington and Leeds and they have little to fear at the "wrong" end of the table.
However, for those clubs in the bottom half of the table, an unexpected loss, particularly if playing a few "squad" players, could mean the difference between SL survival and the risk of relegation.
Aside from the fact that the "bigger" clubs already hoover up the majority of junior talent, their ability to play younger players, without fear, perpetuates their advantage at the top end of the comp.

The one major plus with the old "franchise" model, was that every club seemed more relaxed in playing the "youngsters" and for a while, there seemed to be loads of new faces breaking into SL. Sadly, with the treat of relegation, we have seen clubs revert to experience over youth, never more so than after the "split".

Re: Finn time is up : Thu May 24, 2018 2:13 pm  

Trinity18 wrote: As I thought... Jordan Lilley has been named in this weeks Leeds team. https://www.therhinos.co.uk/2018/05/24/ ... er-rhinos/ Big whoop.

Trinity18 wrote: As I thought... Jordan Lilley has been named in this weeks Leeds team. https://www.therhinos.co.uk/2018/05/24/ ... er-rhinos/ Big whoop.

Re: Finn time is up : Thu May 24, 2018 2:28 pm  

Willzay wrote:

Big whoop.

Conversation on the thread about his whereabouts, I commented saying he'll probably return to the team and he did, I was only confirming that.

Re: Finn time is up : Thu May 24, 2018 2:43 pm  

Jordan Lilley isn't any good. That's why he gets nowhere near at Leeds and is playing rugby in the championship. Another overhyped youngster from the sky tv brigade. I wish we'd stop over-hyping young players and just let them develop without the pressure. When Jowitt came through there were some ridiculous comparisons. He's young and he's still finding his feet. He'll become a good player but he isn't the finished article yet - that said he has the perfect opportunity to develop now Grix is injured.

Re: Finn time is up : Thu May 24, 2018 3:44 pm  

Prop9824 wrote:

HB priority
Declan Patton
Matty Smith

Then god knows?? Jordan lilley may have something left in tank if willing to commit, but Leeds are in their yearly injury crisis when they drop out of top 4 for any longer than 4 weeks !!! So as already mentioned, a recall on the cards for him?

So we've now got what most on here wanted, and I'll just remind you that it's young Hamsh at SH, in the meantime we have some, your good self included who are throwing names about regarding the position, apart from the fact that we don't have any spare money to pay these extra wages, don't you think it would be better to wait and see what Hampshire does first.