Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:55 pm  

djcool wrote:

Looked up Justin Haskins, not much on him, can't find any peer review of his work, he is mentioned on Fox News and his Wikipedia page is set for deletion. So I don't know what "proof" his word is

You do know that "they're" all out to get us dont you
Whatever you do, don't turn the lights out cos the boogey man is still real !

[PopTart]

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:48 pm  

So the great reset plan requires all governments to comply....... Or what exactly?

I'm sure Prince Charles and his team are quite influential but I'm pretty sure they will not be able to get all countries in the world to agree on anything.

If they can, they should start with nuclear arms, in fact all weapons..... Then maybe share out the food.... Maybe fix global warming, Charlie would back that.

But wait, people have tried all those things and it doesn't work because the governments never agree, especially the super powers.

Add to that the media in every country would have to buy into it too. And the medical services across the globe.

Yep. That reset sounds like a go-er

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:50 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

You do know that "they're" all out to get us dont you
Whatever you do, don't turn the lights out cos the boogey man is still real !

Yes, i know they are spouting tin foil hat stuff but I wanted to look up the guy myself, apparently the only reviews he has is from himself. Therefore his word is as important as yours and mine. *gets my tin hat on and ducks *

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:52 pm  

PopTart wrote:

So the great reset plan requires all governments to comply....... Or what exactly?

I'm sure Prince Charles and his team are quite influential but I'm pretty sure they will not be able to get all countries in the world to agree on anything.

If they can, they should start with nuclear arms, in fact all weapons..... Then maybe share out the food.... Maybe fix global warming, Charlie would back that.

But wait, people have tried all those things and it doesn't work because the governments never agree, especially the super powers.

Add to that the media in every country would have to buy into it too. And the medical services across the globe.

Yep. That reset sounds like a go-er

I'm sure Trump would agree for China and WHO to be included

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:31 pm  

[quote="Jethro Gibbs"]

You don't have to accept my word for it you can view all the data on the Hospital Activity on the NHS statistics webpage. Even more worrying, back in April the level of staff absentees was alarmingly high for dealing with any upsurge in hospital demand. For instance the total number of NHS staff absent from work through any sickness or self isolation pre-lockdown on 19 March was 52,235 compared to the peak of absence on 7 April was 162,696. Does a 300% increase in the NHS acting less effectively not concern you? Other scandals published in the media include lack of oxygen availability and access to antibiotics for the elderly, DNR forms being completed without the patients consent and worst of all moving elderly people into care homes that were carrying suspected respiratory virus (including COVID) to make way for a predicted upsurge of young people that never actually came. For me only a public inquiry would settle this debate, how much did these "errors" contribute to the level of excess deaths.

I don't believe the excess deaths can all be as a result of COVID. Lets compare the week 16 (total deaths - 22,351) raised by Miro on the ONS website to a week in 2020 that was closet to the usual 5 year average for week 16 - 10,497 - nearest I could find was week 12 - total deaths was 10,645.

The data sets breakdowns it down for places of occurrence:

'Hospital' - 9,434 (w16) / 4,670 (w12) Not including 100 COVID deaths in week 12 - Excess deaths 4,764 in hospital
Lets accept for the sake of argument that the full amount of the above excess deaths in hospital were as a result of COVID (it did appear on 6,107 of the death certificates)

Now to compare the other areas
'Home' - 4,570 (w16) / 2,709 (w12) less COVID deaths 416 in week 16 - Excess deaths 1,445 in home without COVID
'Care Home' - 7,316 (w16) / 2,335 (w12) - less the COVID deaths 2,050 in week 16 - Excess deaths 4,981 in Care Home without COVID
'Other settings (Hospice etc)' - 1,031 (w16) / 832 (w12) - less the COVID deaths 185 in week 16 - Excess deaths 14 in Other settings without COVID.

Here's a note regarding the COVID notification on the death certificates provided by the ONS btw "That is, where COVID-19 or suspected COVID-19 was mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, including in combination with other health conditions." So unlike the governments reported figures the ONS even include probable COVID deaths that did not produce a positive PCR test.

Total excess deaths outside of hospitals that did not involve COVID was therefore 6,440.

Considering my previous points Is there not a case that 'the cure was equally as bad as the disease?'

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:21 pm  

coco the fullback wrote: This is a bit I don't understand. How do the 'elites' you mention benefit from the slashing and burning of the global economy? Surely, these are the very people who benefit the most from the status quo and stand to lose the most should it change. Something like Brexit, I can understand how the mega-rich can profit from the relative differences should the UK economy crash, but if the whole world drops off a cliff? The world economic forum are very much focused on climate change and are clearly looking at ways of taking advantage of the "new normal" we find ourselves in. Can you show us any evidence of any organisation or people actually planning and deliberately causing this situation? The step changes forced upon us show that it is possible to do things differently and also shows the benefits to the environment reduced travel has brought about. Things like WFH, where possible, on-line meetings and education, increasing out-of-work benefits, solving homelessness, valuing care and medical staff, ... I actually said "vehicle for slashing and burning OUR economy" Not the global economy. I believe this distinction is very important. Now I think you will agree the evidence is all around you. I have lost 2/3 of my own business directly due to the current situation. In the near future, once furlough ends, there will be thousands in this country alone unemployed and hundreds of firms will never re-open. I don't see where the jobs will be for school levers, do you? This isn't me saying this, well, not just me, but even the MSM are reporting this. "Slash and burn" I think I was understating the situation actually. Whatever, add in the rising cancer and suicide rates then I honestly believe the responce to this years flu was wholy disproportionate and certainly no accident. As for the GLOBAL economy. This crashes every few years. Go back to the days of the depression or nearer to home, 2008. All the indicators are showing that the great ponzi scheme such as printing money with nothing to back it i.e. gold, will cause the bubble to burst anytime soon. All the commentators report that the lessons of 2008 were never learned and we had business as usual. But, I admit, I know not enough about economies on such a scale, but I know my economy, our economy. But this what the World Economic Forum has to say: There is good reason to worry: a sharp economic downturn has already begun, and we could be facing the worst depression since the 1930s. But, while this outcome is likely, it is not unavoidable. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/ ... eat-reset/ I would imagine to have a THE GREAT RE-SET is rather more than tinkering round the edges.

coco the fullback wrote: This is a bit I don't understand. How do the 'elites' you mention benefit from the slashing and burning of the global economy? Surely, these are the very people who benefit the most from the status quo and stand to lose the most should it change. Something like Brexit, I can understand how the mega-rich can profit from the relative differences should the UK economy crash, but if the whole world drops off a cliff? The world economic forum are very much focused on climate change and are clearly looking at ways of taking advantage of the "new normal" we find ourselves in. Can you show us any evidence of any organisation or people actually planning and deliberately causing this situation? The step changes forced upon us show that it is possible to do things differently and also shows the benefits to the environment reduced travel has brought about. Things like WFH, where possible, on-line meetings and education, increasing out-of-work benefits, solving homelessness, valuing care and medical staff, ... I actually said "vehicle for slashing and burning OUR economy" Not the global economy. I believe this distinction is very important. Now I think you will agree the evidence is all around you. I have lost 2/3 of my own business directly due to the current situation. In the near future, once furlough ends, there will be thousands in this country alone unemployed and hundreds of firms will never re-open. I don't see where the jobs will be for school levers, do you? This isn't me saying this, well, not just me, but even the MSM are reporting this. "Slash and burn" I think I was understating the situation actually. Whatever, add in the rising cancer and suicide rates then I honestly believe the responce to this years flu was wholy disproportionate and certainly no accident. As for the GLOBAL economy. This crashes every few years. Go back to the days of the depression or nearer to home, 2008. All the indicators are showing that the great ponzi scheme such as printing money with nothing to back it i.e. gold, will cause the bubble to burst anytime soon. All the commentators report that the lessons of 2008 were never learned and we had business as usual. But, I admit, I know not enough about economies on such a scale, but I know my economy, our economy. But this what the World Economic Forum has to say: There is good reason to worry: a sharp economic downturn has already begun, and we could be facing the worst depression since the 1930s. But, while this outcome is likely, it is not unavoidable. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/ ... eat-reset/ I would imagine to have a THE GREAT RE-SET is rather more than tinkering round the edges.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:28 pm  

djcool wrote: Yes, i know they are spouting tin foil hat stuff but I wanted to look up the guy myself, apparently the only reviews he has is from himself. Therefore his word is as important as yours and mine. *gets my tin hat on and ducks * Going after the messenger and trying to discredit him is an old trick, it's what the MSM do all the time instead of looking into what he says, not who said it. . He reported something for our benefit, where do you get off trying to rubbish him? Try this for size, I'll point you the way. https://www.weforum.org/great-reset

djcool wrote: Yes, i know they are spouting tin foil hat stuff but I wanted to look up the guy myself, apparently the only reviews he has is from himself. Therefore his word is as important as yours and mine. *gets my tin hat on and ducks * Going after the messenger and trying to discredit him is an old trick, it's what the MSM do all the time instead of looking into what he says, not who said it. . He reported something for our benefit, where do you get off trying to rubbish him? Try this for size, I'll point you the way. https://www.weforum.org/great-reset

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:41 pm  

PopTart wrote:

So the great reset plan requires all governments to comply....... Or what exactly?

I'm sure Prince Charles and his team are quite influential but I'm pretty sure they will not be able to get all countries in the world to agree on anything.

If they can, they should start with nuclear arms, in fact all weapons..... Then maybe share out the food.... Maybe fix global warming, Charlie would back that.

But wait, people have tried all those things and it doesn't work because the governments never agree, especially the super powers.

Add to that the media in every country would have to buy into it too. And the medical services across the globe.

Yep. That reset sounds like a go-er

Prince Charles eh?
Global leaders from the United Nations, United Kingdom, United States, International Monetary Fund and multi-national corporations

I think you will find they have hell of a lot of influence Pop Tart. Just the IMF alone. You do know they lend money to almost every country in the world.

As they say “he who pays the piper calls the tune.

Next:

MULT NATIONAL CORPORATIONS. Yeah, no influence there.

UNITED STATES...800 military bases around the world. Not shy of invading if a country does not play ball. Yup, no influence there Pop Tart.

Yep, that re-set sure sounds like a goer to me.
Of course they will screw it up, just like these people have screwd up everything they have ever touched.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:53 pm  

djcool wrote:

I'm sure Trump would agree for China and WHO to be included

The USA is up to it's neck in debt to China. Most of the United States manufacturing has been Outsourced to China.
You do the maths.

Trump is not as Influential as you seem to think he is. Like our own Boris, they are just puppets on a string.

I must say though, and I'm in partial agreement with you. The US has surrounded China with millitary bases. I don't know, the mind boggles.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:56 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

You do know that "they're" all out to get us dont you
Whatever you do, don't turn the lights out cos the boogey man is still real !

Are you on the pop?