Re: Leigh : Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:02 pm  

Trojan Horse wrote:

I agree. If there was any consistency it would have been six again as it was for Leigh only minutes prior when the Leigh player shoved Arona (at marker) and was rewarded with a six again.

Personally I think the 6 again needs binning off. Every ref seems to have different opinions and tolerances on it. With the snap decisions they are making and play continuing there’s plenty of inconsistencies in the calls.

6 again, stripping rule and no scrums needs to be binned. It’s made the sport lose a lot of its creativity for a more direct/speed based game trying to win repeat sets. There used to be some belting plays from scrums too. It’s a shame really but the game isn’t as exciting as it was a few years ago to watch.

Very much agree with all that last paragraph.

Re: Leigh : Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:30 pm  

I cant understand them playing ben reynolds instead of joe mellor so far in halves mellor far more creative as his first try showed and def agree with bell at lf looked a decent player

Re: Leigh : Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:48 pm  

One on one ball stealing, besides it being a mess of subjective perspective is becoming as much a means of slowing the pob as anything.
Tacklers lay on the ground with the tackled, holding the ball with them and not moving feigning they stole it, by the time its become clear they haven't a smart pob is long gone.
Not a fan tbh

Re: Leigh : Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:56 pm  

Upanunder wrote:

One on one ball stealing, besides it being a mess of subjective perspective is becoming as much a means of slowing the pob as anything.
Tacklers lay on the ground with the tackled, holding the ball with them and not moving feigning they stole it, by the time its become clear they haven't a smart pob is long gone.
Not a fan tbh

Said the exact thing weeks ago. It makes the game look scrappy and slows the pob down and clubs are doing it to buy extra seconds for defence. It’s clearly being coached.

It contradicts the six again that’s supposed to be there to have quick clear rucks.

There’s some real think tanks at the RFL that’s for sure. Bring one rule in to speed up and another to contradict and slow it down making it more scruffy.

I don’t like the direction the games going. The quality is seeping from the game but by bit. It’s not about breaking down the defensive line with set plays anymore but more making quick runs from pob and first receiver to push 6 agains and tire the defence out.

Re: Leigh : Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:00 am  

Alchemist1 wrote:

I cant understand them playing ben reynolds instead of joe mellor so far in halves mellor far more creative as his first try showed and def agree with bell at lf looked a decent player

Mellor has been injured (surprise) most of the season, don’t think Reynolds will be a starting half before Mellor and Ellis

Re: Leigh : Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:01 am  

Trojan Horse wrote:

I agree. If there was any consistency it would have been six again as it was for Leigh only minutes prior when the Leigh player shoved Arona (at marker) and was rewarded with a six again.

Personally I think the 6 again needs binning off. Every ref seems to have different opinions and tolerances on it. With the snap decisions they are making and play continuing there’s plenty of inconsistencies in the calls.

6 again, stripping rule and no scrums needs to be binned. It’s made the sport lose a lot of its creativity for a more direct/speed based game trying to win repeat sets. There used to be some belting plays from scrums too. It’s a shame really but the game isn’t as exciting as it was a few years ago to watch.

Don't totally agree.

Be glad never to see a scrum again.

Stripping rule must go, utterly stupid.

6 again needs modifying, I'd make it the last tackle option only. Not as harsh as a penalty but will hopefully 1 again and a 5m gain. If the transgression requires more punishment than that then just give an old-fashioned penalty.

Re: Leigh : Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:10 am  

vastman wrote:

Don't totally agree.

Be glad never to see a scrum again.

Stripping rule must go, utterly stupid.

6 again needs modifying, I'd make it the last tackle option only. Not as harsh as a penalty but will hopefully 1 again and a 5m gain. If the transgression requires more punishment than that then just give an old-fashioned penalty.

Agree with stripping - it's just dumb, does any fan like this rule? I don't understand what they even set out to achieve with the change.
Scrums i've got mixed feelings about - I do like to see a good scrum play but half the time they do slow the game down for little reward.

I think 6 again is a very good rule that just needs better implementation/refereeing. I always felt that most ruck transgressions were vastly over punished with a penalty especially if Brough was kicking for touch and so often they are real 50/50 calls anyway so open to interpretation, the 6 again just seems fairer and stops the game stopping and starting unnecessarily. My issue is is that because it's no longer a penalty and so less severe punishment they are given too often almost as though the bar as to what is an offence has been lowered. I noticed this in the NRL when they first came in, all of a sudden in some games the amount of 6 again was higher than the amount of penalties that would have been given if the rule hadn't changed. Especially in England, as has been hinted at in a post above, we seem obsessed with quick rucks and this l think diminishes over time the art of breaking teams down with proper ball handling, attacking plays and so I think the historically higher threshold applied at what is an offence in the NRL is better all round. How many penalty penalty try plays did we used to see in SL? 6 again implemented properly is a benefit to the game for me

Re: Leigh : Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:27 am  

What is the actual difference with the stripping rule? You have always been able to strip the ball one on one so that hasn`t changed, someone said previously you weren't allowed others to drop off the tackle for the tackle to then be deemed one on one but it happened all the time previously and was allowed so if that i the case the rule wasn't policed properly anyway.

Re: Leigh : Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:31 am  

I don`t like the idea of no scrums purely on the basis it advantages the defending side a lot more for just drilling the ball into touch, starting with a full defensive line at a stationery play the ball. At least with a scrum the first play has some variety more often than not.

Re: Leigh : Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:40 am  

homme vaste wrote:

What is the actual difference with the stripping rule? You have always been able to strip the ball one on one so that hasn`t changed, someone said previously you weren't allowed others to drop off the tackle for the tackle to then be deemed one on one but it happened all the time previously and was allowed so if that i the case the rule wasn't policed properly anyway.

This is how I see it.

In the past, the general rule seemed to be that if you were still on your feet in a one-on-one tackle you could have the ball stripped. Once you went down and hit the ground you couldn't, as you were deemed to be tackled.

Now you can be on the floor but if your elbows have not hit the ground you can still have the ball stripped so long as no other opposition player is touching you.

A lot for a ref to get right on the old rule, even more on the second one, which is even more subjective.

To me, the RFL has made a fairly contentious rule considerably more contentious, not a great idea IMHO.