: Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:33 pm  

Kevs Head wrote:

Would you say the same about a police officer or teacher or paramedic if they responded to verbal abuse in that way??

Thats the trouble with this country police officers and teachers are not allowed to.

: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:30 am  

Kevs Head wrote:

Would you say the same about a police officer or teacher or paramedic if they responded to verbal abuse in that way??

Yes I would. I see no reason why anyone should have to accept verbal/physical abuse as part of their job. I will never understand those who dish it out but then go running to police/teacher/steward/whoever when they get a bit back.

: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:48 am  

J.T wrote:

Yes I would. I see no reason why anyone should have to accept verbal/physical abuse as part of their job. I will never understand those who dish it out but then go running to police/teacher/steward/whoever when they get a bit back.

Fully support that view, you can take the pee but if you step over the line then don't go whinging about it.

: Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:13 am  

CHESHIRE CAT 57 wrote:

Thats the trouble with this country police officers and teachers are not allowed to.

Not sure we're talking about the same thing here. Sure, police and teachers etc should be able to respond if being abused but in a professional manner. I'm pretty sure most parents wouldn't be too impressed if their kid's teacher offered to take him/her round the back of the bike shed "to sort it out". The Respect agenda is important but respect has to be earned and it's the professionals in the game who have to model it. RL's got a lot ot be proud of in this respect and it would be a shame if it became "ok" for players, coaches etc to jeopardise the game's reputation by responding in kind to drunken/ignorant/angry fans.

: Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:01 am  

Pacman wrote:

He may be a coach and a professional person but i heard the fans last night and thought Lowes was right in the context of what was given to him. The RESPECT code of conduct works both ways and if the crowd don't want to keep within that code then why should Jimmy Lowes. The lad was a great PRO and his clearly under pressure which again makes human beings act differently so if you didn't like the reaction then don't dish out the abuse

Clearly Lowes was provoked, but his reaction wasn't just wrong and lacking in dignity it was counterproductive and stupid to himself.

Had he taken on the crowd who would rightly lose there job - Lowes. What could he gain - nothing. Would JK or Mcrae react - no never, they would smile and carry on being prefessional.

Sadly if Lowes can't control his emotions then he can never be a coach. I say this not to defend his abusers but because he clearly can't possibly control a dressing room if a few twits in the crowd get the better of him.

Coaches are generally employed because they are cool, calm and collected yet strong under pressure. Lowes failed them all which gives me no pleasure as we need far more British coaches.

: Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:46 am  

went to the normy game yesterday and some of the players from west bowling took some right stick. the scrum half caught it from the kick off and two fingered the crowd, next play dropped it he got some right stick.its not nice but its amateur level, it happens every week and its laughed off. lowes is a well paid pro and things are going bad for him at the moment, he could be one of them blokes who do things and think later what have i done.he shouldnt have done it but its pressure and maybe hes not ready to be a number 1 just yet he might come through this a good coach in a few year

: Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:46 am  

[quote="Kevs Head"]Would you say the same about a police officer or teacher or paramedic if they responded to verbal abuse in that way??[/quote]

Why not treat people like you expect to be treated, thats the problem with society too many cowards

: Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:54 am  

[quote="Kevs Head"]Not sure we're talking about the same thing here. Sure, police and teachers etc should be able to respond if being abused but in a professional manner. I'm pretty sure most parents wouldn't be too impressed if their kid's teacher offered to take him/her round the back of the bike shed "to sort it out". The Respect agenda [u]is[/u] important but respect has to be earned and it's the professionals in the game who have to model it. RL's got a lot ot be proud of in this respect and it would be a shame if it became "ok" for players, coaches etc to jeopardise the game's reputation by responding in kind to drunken/ignorant/angry fans.[/quote]
Wrong, the RESPECT code of conduct is for everyone spectators included. If fans can't handle a couple of pints then don't drink. Chanting abuse at people will gage reaction and i think it's good that Lowes shows passion just a pity some of his players didn't show the same.

: Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:55 am  

Where would Wakefield be now if we'd employed Lowes instead of JK? Looks like he's really not ready to be a pro coach, for several reasons.

: Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:01 pm  

[quote="Captain Library"]Where would Wakefield be now if we'd employed Lowes instead of JK? Looks like he's really not ready to be a pro coach, for several reasons.[/quote]


Lets make that decision at the business end of the season