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: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:02 pm  

Jose Mourinho wrote:

Well ive put a thread on the three quarters keeping there place place on performance and not reputation ... John Kear has said i cant drop Atkins after playing for England ... Well can he drop a player after playing against Senior ?? TBH id get rid of Grix on the wing and get Murphy in now - I feel for Grix but hes leaking in more points than hes scoring and doesnt work well with Brough...

I don't agree with this bit. I think Grix is playing very well. He has taken his tries very well, especially the long ball from Brough. Don't see why you think they can't play together at all. No evidence to suggest that,

If Murphy is to come in, then he plays in the centre instead of Atkins for me and leave Grix where he is.

: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:09 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I don't agree with this bit. I think Grix is playing very well. He has taken his tries very well, especially the long ball from Brough. Don't see why you think they can't play together at all. No evidence to suggest that,

If Murphy is to come in, then he plays in the centre instead of Atkins for me and leave Grix where he is.

Can't agree with that Grix is not a winger he's made a decent fist of it attacking wise over the last couple of games but in defence he has no idea as he is not a winger.

: Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:57 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I don't agree with this bit. I think Grix is playing very well. He has taken his tries very well, especially the long ball from Brough. Don't see why you think they can't play together at all. No evidence to suggest that,

If Murphy is to come in, then he plays in the centre instead of Atkins for me and leave Grix where he is.

no way should grix be in effectively over atkins that is madness. ok atkins slipped up against senior at what turned out to be crucial times but he has been playing pretty well in most areas of his game (i accept his winger tends to get starved of ball). grix on the other hand is a liabilty in defence and has been pretty much found out every game he has played on the wing. the effort is there he just isn't a winger.

as for this atkins not putting the effort in it is nonsense imo, making mistakes yes, believing the hype - maybe/maybe not, but not trying i cant accept

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: Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:20 am  

St. Chunter wrote:

no way should grix be in effectively over atkins that is madness. ok atkins slipped up against senior at what turned out to be crucial times but he has been playing pretty well in most areas of his game (i accept his winger tends to get starved of ball). grix on the other hand is a liabilty in defence and has been pretty much found out every game he has played on the wing. the effort is there he just isn't a winger.

as for this atkins not putting the effort in it is nonsense imo, making mistakes yes, believing the hype - maybe/maybe not, but not trying i cant accept

Wasn't actually saying we drop Atkins at all, just that IMHO Grix is doing well at wing and I wouldn't replace him with Murphy.
BUT as people are pushing Murphy bescause Grix isn't a winger, we should be aiming Murphy at the centres not the wing spot as that is his preferred position.
Think I rushed the last line of my post and explained it poorly.

: Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:41 pm  

I watched the game on Sunday here in Australia (knowing the final score but not the story of the game!)

I thought...


Atkins had a pretty good game... he troubled Senior and vice verse... I was really dissapointed with Petersen he shoed a lot odf effort but looked short on confidence, and his positioning in defence was poor. JD did ok at stand off but his attempted tackle on Senior at the end was woeful...

Bibey, Stocic and korkidas were all excellent... but Steve Snitch has moved up several levels...

the positive is that we almost put away a full strength Leeds outfit, with a display of speed, strength and skill...

as I have said many times against Leeds.... they were lucky

: Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:42 am  

underground wrote:

I watched the game on Sunday here in Australia (knowing the final score but not the story of the game!)

I thought...


Atkins had a pretty good game... he troubled Senior and vice verse... I was really dissapointed with Petersen he shoed a lot odf effort but looked short on confidence, and his positioning in defence was poor. JD did ok at stand off but his attempted tackle on Senior at the end was woeful...

Bibey, Stocic and korkidas were all excellent... but Steve Snitch has moved up several levels...

the positive is that we almost put away a full strength Leeds outfit, with a display of speed, strength and skill...

as I have said many times against Leeds.... they were lucky

If you look at the JD tackle at the end the first man in should have been Atkins. He just stood there and watched senior and gave him too much space. JD had to come in from 2 previous tackles to try to get o senior.

maybe he did miss that tackle but he should have only been the 2nd man in helping out Atkins.

Agree with most that Atkins is a bit of a poser and shirks a lot of the hard work

: Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:15 am  

I think all this anti-Atkins stuff has snowballed a little bit.

Granted, he had a mediocre game against Leeds but he was playing on the wrong side and he was up against a very inform Keith Senior.

Maybe everybody else knows something I don't, maybe everybody else has highlighted another centre who is better than Ryan Atkins. Whoever he is my hope is available and I hope we have the money to sign him.

For my money, Ryan Atkins is an extremely good centre who has some amazing attributes which balance off some deficiencies but overall he is a danger to the opposition.

I don't expect Atkins to get worse as he matures on the contrary he will only get better. The deficiencies I speak of are the exact areas of his game where experience and maturity will make all the difference.

I have no doubt that many of the so-called top clubs would jump at the chance of signing Ryan Atkins, there are many envious coaches who covert his service. It is great credit to Ryan that he shows such loyalty to Wakefield Trinity when I am sure there are whispers in his ear from agents, opposition players and so-called friends who would tempt him away from Wakefield.

I have no doubt about his loyalty, I have no doubt about his commitment to Wakefield and I have no doubt that he tries his best every time he takes the field. I'm sure he realises there are games where he needs to be more involved and I'm sure he and the coaching staff work very hard on how we might achieve that.

My last word on this is be careful what you wish for and give the lad a break.

: Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:25 am  

The Clan wrote:

I think all this anti-Atkins stuff has snowballed a little bit.

Granted, he had a mediocre game against Leeds but he was playing on the wrong side and he was up against a very inform Keith Senior.

Maybe everybody else knows something I don't, maybe everybody else has highlighted another centre who is better than Ryan Atkins. Whoever he is my hope is available and I hope we have the money to sign him.

For my money, Ryan Atkins is an extremely good centre who has some amazing attributes which balance off some deficiencies but overall he is a danger to the opposition.

I don't expect Atkins to get worse as he matures on the contrary he will only get better. The deficiencies I speak of are the exact areas of his game where experience and maturity will make all the difference.

I have no doubt that many of the so-called top clubs would jump at the chance of signing Ryan Atkins, there are many envious coaches who covert his service. It is great credit to Ryan that he shows such loyalty to Wakefield Trinity when I am sure there are whispers in his ear from agents, opposition players and so-called friends who would tempt him away from Wakefield.

I have no doubt about his loyalty, I have no doubt about his commitment to Wakefield and I have no doubt that he tries his best every time he takes the field. I'm sure he realises there are games where he needs to be more involved and I'm sure he and the coaching staff work very hard on how we might achieve that.

My last word on this is be careful what you wish for and give the lad a break.

Boooooooooo.

He doesn’t pass to his winger therefore we should get rid.

: Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:27 am  

The Clan wrote:

I think all this anti-Atkins stuff has snowballed a little bit.

Granted, he had a mediocre game against Leeds but he was playing on the wrong side and he was up against a very inform Keith Senior.

Maybe everybody else knows something I don't, maybe everybody else has highlighted another centre who is better than Ryan Atkins. Whoever he is my hope is available and I hope we have the money to sign him.

For my money, Ryan Atkins is an extremely good centre who has some amazing attributes which balance off some deficiencies but overall he is a danger to the opposition.

I don't expect Atkins to get worse as he matures on the contrary he will only get better. The deficiencies I speak of are the exact areas of his game where experience and maturity will make all the difference.

I have no doubt that many of the so-called top clubs would jump at the chance of signing Ryan Atkins, there are many envious coaches who covert his service. It is great credit to Ryan that he shows such loyalty to Wakefield Trinity when I am sure there are whispers in his ear from agents, opposition players and so-called friends who would tempt him away from Wakefield.

I have no doubt about his loyalty, I have no doubt about his commitment to Wakefield and I have no doubt that he tries his best every time he takes the field. I'm sure he realises there are games where he needs to be more involved and I'm sure he and the coaching staff work very hard on how we might achieve that.

My last word on this is be careful what you wish for and give the lad a break.

agree 100%. think his downfall on here is his percevied cockiness which seemingly makes people more aware of any errors. as for the not interested bit thats just nonsense imo

: Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:30 am  

The Clan wrote:

I think all this anti-Atkins stuff has snowballed a little bit.

Granted, he had a mediocre game against Leeds but he was playing on the wrong side and he was up against a very inform Keith Senior.

Maybe everybody else knows something I don't, maybe everybody else has highlighted another centre who is better than Ryan Atkins. Whoever he is my hope is available and I hope we have the money to sign him.

For my money, Ryan Atkins is an extremely good centre who has some amazing attributes which balance off some deficiencies but overall he is a danger to the opposition.

I don't expect Atkins to get worse as he matures on the contrary he will only get better. The deficiencies I speak of are the exact areas of his game where experience and maturity will make all the difference.

I have no doubt that many of the so-called top clubs would jump at the chance of signing Ryan Atkins, there are many envious coaches who covert his service. It is great credit to Ryan that he shows such loyalty to Wakefield Trinity when I am sure there are whispers in his ear from agents, opposition players and so-called friends who would tempt him away from Wakefield.

I have no doubt about his loyalty, I have no doubt about his commitment to Wakefield and I have no doubt that he tries his best every time he takes the field. I'm sure he realises there are games where he needs to be more involved and I'm sure he and the coaching staff work very hard on how we might achieve that.

My last word on this is be careful what you wish for and give the lad a break.

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