Re: New Signing.... : Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:45 pm  

vastman wrote:

:lol: What the hell is a "natural prop" no such thing. RL is full of players who's position has changed through there careers, even Neil Fox ended up as an occasional prop. Are you suggesting you leave the womb with a stamp saying prop.

Marriano is a converted centre as is Ellis - no good I assume. You simply don't have to have played any position all your life to become good at it. Nigel Bell was good at every position he played which included the odd game as a prop.

Although I do actually get what you mean, I simply think it's a false belief.

I knew you wouldn't let me down Some maybe able to play well at prop for the 'occasional game', but is that really what we want?

Re: New Signing.... : Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:14 pm  

Outwood Vic wrote:

I knew you wouldn't let me down Some maybe able to play well at prop for the 'occasional game', but is that really what we want?

Did you even bother to read what pop tart put. Many players progress from S/R and other positions to prop. This is clearly what Wilkes and Raleigh have done. Why are you struggling with this. No one is suggesting you play every S/R at prop. However Wilkes and Raleigh have decided as has Agar that they wish to move to prop. Again why is this so difficult. There is no rule that says this can't happen, you are no more born a prop than you are born a traffic warden.

I'm sorry to sound patronising but as you say you don't let me down do you - you make it easy.

It says on the website - Amor, Johnson, Raleigh, Wilkes, James PROP. Why, because that is what they are now, not what they were. The only possible issue you could have is that they are not quiet as savvy as those who have played more in that position, but considering you class Amor as a fully fledged prop despite him having only done a season and a half is a bit thin to say the least.

You never changed jobs, don't answer that as I reckon I know the answer.

Re: New Signing.... : Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:19 pm  

I don't think we need to revert back to the old days of signing other teams cast offs or any other big lummocks to come and 'do a job'. The coach knows what he needs and will bring someone in if it benefits the team. I saw nothing yesterday to suggest we are light in the front row, only time will tell of course but the way we played suggests to me our style of play is gonna be completely different so 5 drives and a kick is gonna be a blast from the past methinks.
Watching us develop as an exciting pacy team who are well drilled is going to be fascinating and already I like the passing, movement and combinations of all the players and like most around me yesterday, was pleasantly surprised. It's early days and I am not getting carried away but there are encouraging signs for the season ahead. Let's enjoy seeing us develop as a team now and be optimistic,get behind the team and let's shock more than a few.

Re: New Signing.... : Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:21 pm  

Emley Cat wrote:

I don't think we need to revert back to the old days of signing other teams cast offs or any other big lummocks to come and 'do a job'. The coach knows what he needs and will bring someone in if it benefits the team. I saw nothing yesterday to suggest we are light in the front row, only time will tell of course but the way we played suggests to me our style of play is gonna be completely different so 5 drives and a kick is gonna be a blast from the past methinks.
Watching us develop as an exciting pacy team who are well drilled is going to be fascinating and already I like the passing, movement and combinations of all the players and like most around me yesterday, was pleasantly surprised. It's early days and I am not getting carried away but there are encouraging signs for the season ahead. Let's enjoy seeing us develop as a team now and be optimistic,get behind the team and let's shock more than a few.

Get this idiot and his common sense ideas banned now!!!!!!!!
Boo sir, Boo!!!!

Re: New Signing.... : Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:04 pm  

My observation from watching yesterday's game:
We are not small up front but not big either, we have adapted our game to suit the leaner faster players that we have. The result was a very fast play the ball which Aiton and Ellis are good enough to exploit and Castleford couldn't cope with it. It meant that Tim Smith and Isaac John got the ball in their hands a split second earlier which equates to an eternity at this level of Rugby and results in better decision making, execution and more three quarter line involvement. That will serve us well in 75% of our games but there will be games and there are teams that we will struggle with physically, when that happens we will see and feel the absence of that big rugged hairy arsed yard making monster prop that we currently don't have and can't find.

Re: New Signing.... : Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:34 pm  

Sesquipedalian wrote:

My observation from watching yesterday's game:
We are not small up front but not big either, we have adapted our game to suit the leaner faster players that we have. The result was a very fast play the ball which Aiton and Ellis are good enough to exploit and Castleford couldn't cope with it. It meant that Tim Smith and Isaac John got the ball in their hands a split second earlier which equates to an eternity at this level of Rugby and results in better decision making, execution and more three quarter line involvement. That will serve us well in 75% of our games but there will be games and there are teams that we will struggle with physically, when that happens we will see and feel the absence of that big rugged hairy arsed yard making monster prop that we currently don't have and can't find.

Correct, though I reckon with the new rules that player is less important than in recent times. I'd say with Wilkes and Raleigh back we are average but our play the ball and quick distribution from the PTB is quicker than most which should even it out. That appears to be Agars tactics, very simple and if done right very effective. Likewise the big prop, he's only as good as his team, big yards are no good if the rest of the team can't exploit it.

There will of course be occasions when we are beaten in the pack but I have seen that happen when we had a bigger than average pack - it happens to the best.

Re: New Signing.... : Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:29 pm  

vastman wrote:

Correct, though I reckon with the new rules that player is less important than in recent times. I'd say with Wilkes and Raleigh back we are average but our play the ball and quick distribution from the PTB is quicker than most which should even it out. That appears to be Agars tactics, very simple and if done right very effective. Likewise the big prop, he's only as good as his team, big yards are no good if the rest of the team can't exploit it.

There will of course be occasions when we are beaten in the pack but I have seen that happen when we had a bigger than average pack - it happens to the best.

Come on this was a friendly - same pack pretty much got kicked up hill and down t dale by catalans, if we are going to compete up front we need a bit of beef up front and 5 foot ten 15 half stone props are ok, but not when you are playing six foot one+ seventeen stone oposition, thought amor was mom yesterday, johnson worked hard - but in days to come we will need more size and strength in front row than what we currently have.

Re: New Signing.... : Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:31 pm  

I think speed and fitness could be a bigger advantage than sheer bulk as far as the front row goes this season.

Re: New Signing.... : Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:37 pm  

kinleycat wrote:

I think speed and fitness could be a bigger advantage than sheer bulk as far as the front row goes this season.

True but in an ideal world you would have both, but to be fair was an amazing turnaround from catalans and leeds games.

Thought Collis smith and john looked best back combo in a long while

Re: New Signing.... : Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:05 pm  

Lorrys daily strap wrote:

Come on this was a friendly - same pack pretty much got kicked up hill and down t dale by catalans, if we are going to compete up front we need a bit of beef up front and 5 foot ten 15 half stone props are ok, but not when you are playing six foot one+ seventeen stone oposition, thought amor was mom yesterday, johnson worked hard - but in days to come we will need more size and strength in front row than what we currently have.

You must be looking at a different pack, because excluding hookers there isn't anyone in the pack under six foot and there isn't a prop or second row under 100kg. Not to mention that a couple are a fair bit more than that weight.