Re: Ground Share : Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:25 pm  

I know it's a forum, blah, blah blah, but please put this to bed and let's concentrate on the the troubles ahead? We've bigger fish to fry than unrealistic scenarios.

Re: Ground Share : Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:28 pm  

Well that put paid to that JINJER, bigger fish to fry?
Don't know what that means but to me it is just a typical statement from an individual who thinks they speak for all.
My comments are only born out of thinking that the club maybe digging to deep, chasing this when time is running out and as I said maybe the RFL will be the next to stick the knife in.
There is a lot of sense talked about a ground share and I had not thought of the two developers working together.
The main thing is that both clubs survive. At the minute Castleford do not seem to have any issues, things are ticking along along, maybe slowly but moving.
To end my comment. I say you fry your big fish (whatever that is) but don't play the almighty and speak for all your supporters on this forum, some do talk rational.
All the best with your Agenda.

Re: Ground Share : Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:50 pm  

Barnsley Tiger wrote:

Well that put paid to that JINJER, bigger fish to fry?
Don't know what that means but to me it is just a typical statement from an individual who thinks they speak for all.
My comments are only born out of thinking that the club maybe digging to deep, chasing this when time is running out and as I said maybe the RFL will be the next to stick the knife in.
There is a lot of sense talked about a ground share and I had not thought of the two developers working together.
The main thing is that both clubs survive. At the minute Castleford do not seem to have any issues, things are ticking along along, maybe slowly but moving.
To end my comment. I say you fry your big fish (whatever that is) but don't play the almighty and speak for all your supporters on this forum, some do talk rational.
All the best with your Agenda.

Are you spoiling for a fight?
What is my agenda that you accuse me of?
The Big fish for me is the whole sorry saga to be sorted, sharing will never happen, I'm speaking for myself here, all our involvement needs to be directed at a way forward for our club, not move in with you and have it lorded over us.
As for speaking for all, complete bollox, no one on here will claim I speak for all, it's not my way.

My bigger fish to fry.

The ground sorted, be it in court or out.
Survival of the club.
Are we gonna be relocated?
Could we be forcibly relegated?
How are the club selling the season passes on the back of the ground problems.
How are we gonna negotiate where we play next season given 88M's stance on this subject.
Much bigger fish than some pie in the sky idea that we should move to Glasshoughton. HTH

Re: Ground Share : Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:34 pm  

JINJER wrote:

Are you spoiling for a fight?
What is my agenda that you accuse me of?
The Big fish for me is the whole sorry saga to be sorted, sharing will never happen, I'm speaking for myself here, all our involvement needs to be directed at a way forward for our club, not move in with you and have it lorded over us.
As for speaking for all, complete bollox, no one on here will claim I speak for all, not my way.
Now please toddle on and stir up elsewhere. HTH

No spoiling for a fight. If I ever post on a site it is about RL. Wakefield is my home town but I have always supported Cas. To many consider one club to be bigger than the other so your statement "move in with you" is tosh.
Carry on the fight i agree because the whole saga stinks of corruption somewhere. All I am saying, and I'm sure MC thinks the same as do many of the season ticket holders, think about next season as well as the future.
Oh, I like anyone can toddle onto any site and raise a point. I am not stirring things up but obviously there are many that do.

Re: Ground Share : Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:39 pm  

So, if your bigger fish fry up fails to provide a meal, what then?
We can't lose sight of other options, in fact we must actively seek them out whatever they may be because court action will be a Pyrrhic Victory and bring us no closer to having a ground to play in.
If you read my message again you will see that I an advocating a joint venture at Newmarket.

Re: Ground Share : Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:48 pm  

There are plenty of big football clubs who share grounds, Milan and Inter, Roma and Lazio, Bayern and 1860 munich, so it can work very well and it certainly has a lot of advantages

Whilst I appreciate our situation is on a much smaller scale than the 100,000 seater in Rome for example, it is certainly a possibility but the heads of terms would become rather complicated. It would need a trust to run it and divide the profits/ costs equally between the clubs. The end closest to Wakefield is Trinitys end. then end closest to castleford is the tigers end.

Re: Ground Share : Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:51 pm  

FSW wrote:

So, if your bigger fish fry up fails to provide a meal, what then?
We can't lose sight of other options, in fact we must actively seek them out whatever they may be because court action will be a Pyrrhic Victory and bring us no closer to having a ground to play in.
If you read my message again you will see that I an advocating a joint venture at Newmarket.

When I mentioned bigger fish I was talking of the thread in general, not having a go at you.

Re: Ground Share : Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:59 pm  

A long lasting ground share will only work if the ownership/rent/income is split equally, and the ground is roughly equal distance between both clubs. If either of these can't be reached or made possible then it is the death sentence of the club with the poorer deal, and likely a more protracted death sentence of the club who had the better deal unless they can make up the difference lost by the unequal partner going under

Re: Ground Share : Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:10 pm  

FSW wrote:

So, if your bigger fish fry up fails to provide a meal, what then?
We can't lose sight of other options, in fact we must actively seek them out whatever they may be because court action will be a Pyrrhic Victory and bring us no closer to having a ground to play in.
If you read my message again you will see that I an advocating a joint venture at Newmarket.

So are you seriously suggesting that Castleford would give up a ground in Castleford that has cost them £1 with no strings attached. Move out of town and share with us ?

Rather than waste your time on here trying to convince people, I would suggest you suddenly appear on the nutjob forum in the same way you have suddenly appeared on here. Then offer your brilliant suggestion to them . If they respond favourably your argument could gain credibility.

Re: Ground Share : Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:52 pm  

FSW wrote:

Somewhere along the line there will have to be a compromise.

At the moment we haven't moved forward at all over the past 6 years and Cas in all reality are in the same position. There are two developers who will have to find £30+ million between them to build two stadiums and the Council is committed to £4million in contributions.

Glasshoughton may be ok for a stadium but will never have the community facilities which are promised to the people of Wakefield city & MDC. Newmarket has the capacity to deliver everything that is required. The likelihood is that neither ground will move forward in the next 5 years which leaves Trinity extinct and Cas in serious strife.

The compromise. Build a 20000 seater stadium at Newmarket along with all the promised community facilities to be funded jointly by the developers. The Council raises £30 million in "the City" in the same way Leeds Council have done for Headingley to allow development to commence immediately. Interest payments will be met from the Council's £4 million contribution so giving them an incentive to "encourage" Yorkcourt to make progress with their development.

If the interest payments are less than £4 million the council gains.
The Cas developer gains by having more land to develop.
Yorkcourt gain by having the opportunity to show they can behave in a civilised manner.
The clubs gain by being in a new stadium by 2019 season
The community gains the facilities it is desperate for.
Wakefield gains by retaining the community development work by Trinity
Cas gain by having a bigger, better stadium sooner.
The Community Trust would own the entire facilities with joint anchor tenants and between them they would establish a mechanism for funding maintenance and development of the site.
Everyone gains by avoiding court action.
Cas gain by retaining their equity in Wheldon Lane and by not suffering further delays whilst the Council fight a court battle.

MIchael Carter said that if he and Steve Gill had been in charge 10 years ago they would have a joint stadium by now.

There is still time.

It's true they get along really well by all accounts & he's asaid it a few times on Radio Yorkshire RL show. If both of them were in charge 10 years ago, we'd have got together and had a stadium built around the Normanton area that benefitted both clubs years ago. Instead around that time we had that old CEO up at Cas Richard Wright, writing a formal objection against Newmarket.