Re: Up next Salford : Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:57 pm  

Shifty Cat wrote:

He's a Trinity fan mate.

Haha oops.

My excuse is that I am on mobile so I dont see avatars or anything.

Point still stands though. Salford have mostly decent players with a handful of average/poor ones. Wakefield have mostly decent players with a handful of really good ones. Wakefield by 14

Re: Up next Salford : Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:06 pm  

bellycouldtackle wrote:

Vasty surely O `Brian, Johnson, Sau, Evalds, Lui, Kopczak, Jones, Hauraki, Tasi, Falnagan, Burgess, Vatuvei and Mossop deserve the respect of being recognized as good players, and certainly should not be written of by youI would say that Kopczak is one of the best props in the League. If Salford are able to field the above in a match day 17 then they will be a tough side to beat. One more for you Vasty Bennion who played at Halifax last season, he has a big future in the game.

Yes but you said really good players and they are not imho. Vatuvei in particular looked a shadow of his former self not just last year but in recent seasons. Moosop is just dreadful and Burgess is well past his best. Liu is brilliant when he can be bothered which isn't very often ditto Hauraki, Tasi. The rest are just plain ordinary.

Kopczak is a class act and as good as any of ours but that's basically 5-1 and he can't overcome that no matter how good he is.

They are where we were is 2016 so they can definitely build but lets not over do it. I don't want to underestimate anyone but I'm not going to overestimate for no reason either.

If we lose to Salford it will mainly be because we didn't perform to our best, if we do we'll take them by 20 points imo. Whether that happens who knows.

Re: Up next Salford : Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:11 pm  

Mr. Zucchini Head wrote:

Haha oops.

My excuse is that I am on mobile so I dont see avatars or anything.

Point still stands though. Salford have mostly decent players with a handful of average/poor ones. Wakefield have mostly decent players with a handful of really good ones. Wakefield by 14

With Belly it's an easy mistake sometimes. Loves to talk up other sides.

Re: Up next Salford : Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:25 pm  

Despite my undoubted genius regarding the game and it's players CC and I are not in touch but if we were this is the advise I would give him RE Salford.

As Belly points out Salford do have a backbone of decent players. Likewise their Coach is no mug.

He will have watched us last week and will be rightly scared of our left hand side (been a long time since a Wakey fan could state that and be right!). That being Miller, Ashurst, Tupou and Johnstone.

He will want to defend against that and will throw everything he has at it. I'm certain they will be able to blunt that attack as they have some players who can do it.

What I'm equally certain about is that Salford don't have the bodies to defend our nearly as devastating right hand attack - BJB, Lyne, Kirmo/Horo and Grix chiming in.

For me its a case of left left right. Fein to go down the left but make all the big attacking plays up the weaker right.

If the players do that methodically we should win IMHO, because I just don't think Salford have the pace to defend it.

Of course the backs will need to be smart and the forwards hold their own but you need that no matter what the game plan is.

The club can send me my money in the post, thank you all for reading

Re: Up next Salford : Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:03 pm  

vastman wrote:

Despite my undoubted genius regarding the game and it's players CC and I are not in touch but if we were this is the advise I would give him RE Salford.

As Belly points out Salford do have a backbone of decent players. Likewise their Coach is no mug.

He will have watched us last week and will be rightly scared of our left hand side (been a long time since a Wakey fan could state that and be right!). That being Miller, Ashurst, Tupou and Johnstone.

He will want to defend against that and will throw everything he has at it. I'm certain they will be able to blunt that attack as they have some players who can do it.

What I'm equally certain about is that Salford don't have the bodies to defend our nearly as devastating right hand attack - BJB, Lyne, Kirmo/Horo and Grix chiming in.

For me its a case of left left right. Fein to go down the left but make all the big attacking plays up the weaker right.

If the players do that methodically we should win IMHO, because I just don't think Salford have the pace to defend it.

Of course the backs will need to be smart and the forwards hold their own but you need that no matter what the game plan is.

The club can send me my money in the post, thank you all for reading

Nah, just bash em up down the middle and stroll in for as many tries as we want.
They'll have to be under the sticks though cos Finn's kicking boots have gone missing.

Re: Up next Salford : Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:05 pm  

vastman wrote:

Despite my undoubted genius regarding the game and it's players CC and I are not in touch but if we were this is the advise I would give him RE Salford.

As Belly points out Salford do have a backbone of decent players. Likewise their Coach is no mug.

He will have watched us last week and will be rightly scared of our left hand side (been a long time since a Wakey fan could state that and be right!). That being Miller, Ashurst, Tupou and Johnstone.

He will want to defend against that and will throw everything he has at it. I'm certain they will be able to blunt that attack as they have some players who can do it.

What I'm equally certain about is that Salford don't have the bodies to defend our nearly as devastating right hand attack - BJB, Lyne, Kirmo/Horo and Grix chiming in.

For me its a case of left left right. Fein to go down the left but make all the big attacking plays up the weaker right.

If the players do that methodically we should win IMHO, because I just don't think Salford have the pace to defend it.

Of course the backs will need to be smart and the forwards hold their own but you need that no matter what the game plan is.

The club can send me my money in the post, thank you all for reading

You are Chris Chester and I claim my £5

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Re: Up next Salford : Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:36 pm  

I agree with both.
Smash them down the middle but then choose left or right.

I like the variation now if they are going to continue with Grix one side and Miller on the other. Miller has to keep his passing at the level he had on Friday but it stops teams guessing the play by watching Grix.

Exciting times.

Re: Up next Salford : Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:20 pm  

vastman wrote:

Despite my undoubted genius regarding the game and it's players CC and I are not in touch but if we were this is the advise I would give him RE Salford.

As Belly points out Salford do have a backbone of decent players. Likewise their Coach is no mug.

He will have watched us last week and will be rightly scared of our left hand side (been a long time since a Wakey fan could state that and be right!). That being Miller, Ashurst, Tupou and Johnstone.

He will want to defend against that and will throw everything he has at it. I'm certain they will be able to blunt that attack as they have some players who can do it.

What I'm equally certain about is that Salford don't have the bodies to defend our nearly as devastating right hand attack - BJB, Lyne, Kirmo/Horo and Grix chiming in.

For me its a case of left left right. Fein to go down the left but make all the big attacking plays up the weaker right.

If the players do that methodically we should win IMHO, because I just don't think Salford have the pace to defend it.

Of course the backs will need to be smart and the forwards hold their own but you need that no matter what the game plan is.

The club can send me my money in the post, thank you all for reading

Good post. Saying that didn't Wigan just completely abuse the left side of Salfords' defense, so it'll be quite hard for them to remedy that in a week. Like you say though left or right, it doesn't really matter they're both strong.

Re: Up next Salford : Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:57 am  

For the first time in ages, it must be a genuine quandary for opposition coaches to work out how to play WT; the pack is huge and can be devastating - and when Huby is fit, it adds another dimension, since he's a compulsive offloader - and with Grix' ability to back up, that's a real danger. Meanwhile, our 2nd row is big and quick, and then both edges are genuinely dangerous - particularly TJ, who seems to have a couple of extra gears, and a genuine ability to go from 0-60 almost instantly. I don't think you can 'plan' to defend Miller, since he's one of those players who doesn't seem to know himself what he's going to do until he has the ball in his hands - which works very well alongside Finn, who is much more methodical and always appears to be a few plays ahead of himself. Putting together that squad is a work of genius - making it perform to the best of its ability will be the challenge.

The biggest weakness from the HKR game was the middle part of the game, where we dropped off the pace and gave away a string of needless penalties - better teams than HKR will punish that kind of sloppiness, so that will need to be addressed. Looking forward to Friday - I'm predicting a comfortable win for WT.

Re: Up next Salford : Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:24 am  

The aspect of the 2018 left right side comparison that impressed me most was the defense, both sides seemed to be equally good. Now I know that our right side received most of the traffic against Hull KR, but in Ashurst and Horo we have two intelligent back rowers who read the game well, make great decisions and tackle well. Defense wins matches.