Re: Danny K : Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:33 pm  

PopTart wrote:

So, I don't agree with Vastman. I doubt you checked the stats but I'm interested to know which of his stats you don't think are up to scratch?

As a forward his stats in general are better than most but you can't always compare like for like because people play different number of games and minutes in games.
But taking missed tackles as a percentage of overall tackle attempts he is 5.9%. For the back rowers our best is Ashurst with 3.5% worst is Horo at 12.3%. Front rowers range from Fifita at best with 4.0% and Pauli at 10.8%. Average across the forwards including hookers is funnily enough 5.9% exactly.

Average gain also can be compared regardless of how many games are played and he compares well there too.
For the back rowers, best is of course Ashurst with 6.71 metres per carry. Worst is 6.18 with Horo. Kirmond is 6.23. The front rowers are better with Fifita being best at 7.58, Huby being quite low at 5.72. Average across the back rowers is 6.29 (so Kirmond is 6cm down per carry!) Across all the forwards 6.5.

He hasn't scored any tries, but only Ashurst with 3 and Horo and Arona each with 1 have scored in the back row.
3 errors (all have 2 or 3 except Ashurst who is and 6 penalties (only Bachelor has less)

So for me, he's ok for a contract according to the stats, in comparison to his peers.

After seeing Vastmans comment I had a quick look at the stats and found the exact same as yourself! Stats are not really open to interpretation either so it seems he was disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing...

Re: Danny K : Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:44 pm  

My initial view was that on the majority of the stats he's in the bottom half of the ladder... this was probably a naive thing to do.

However when looking at errors and penalties this is also effected by the number of games played.

Either way - Happy to see Kirmond around for another year.

Re: Danny K : Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:12 pm  

homme vaste wrote:

Stats are not really open to interpretation either

They absolutely are - they don't account for multiple variables, such as number of games played, time on the field, number of plays they're involved in, third man in the tackle etc etc blah blah blah.

Re: Danny K : Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:00 pm  

bren2k wrote:

They absolutely are - they don't account for multiple variables, such as number of games played, time on the field, number of plays they're involved in, third man in the tackle etc etc blah blah blah.

But a stat is a stat at the end of the day, it`s in black and white and cannot be argued.

Re: Danny K : Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:59 pm  

homme vaste wrote:

But a stat is a stat at the end of the day, it`s in black and white and cannot be argued.

What is said about stats though? There are lies, damned lies and statistics.

Re: Danny K : Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:35 pm  

snowie wrote:

think its 7 year

Started beginning of 2012 season so 8 with next year.

Re: Danny K : Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:17 pm  

He showed a rare commodity in sport, loyalty when the easy option was to take the money and run, like so many have in the past. He deserves another year because he is still playing well and all clubs need a player like him.
He has suffered with injuries but that his due to his style of play much like Ellis who has probably missed more games.
Let us just be happy that any Wakefield player is so committed to us and the signal it sends to others who are thinking of signing extensions or joining us.

Re: Danny K : Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:31 pm  

newgroundb4wakey wrote:

Started beginning of 2012 season so 8 with next year.

we could make it 9 if he signs year after that

Re: Danny K : Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:48 pm  

Happy for Kirmond. Been great for us over the years.

A contract for sentiment and his loyalty over the years more than form and deserving on the pitch this year. If kirmo had arrived recent seasons I doubt he’d have been signed. That said I don’t expect he’ll be a starting player next season and will be a decent squad player who can produce the odd performance of old in spots.

Can’t fault his influence at the club and players. A good personality to have around the place.

Re: Danny K : Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:28 pm  

homme vaste wrote:

But a stat is a stat at the end of the day, it`s in black and white and cannot be argued.

Don't talk daft; statistics are like a bikini - what they reveal is interesting, but what they hide is vital.