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Re: O/T General Election : Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:39 pm  
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Could well be describing the delightful Mary Creagh, having met the woman I have not an ounce of respect for her, I met her pre - referendun she wasn't good then she's worse now


Take Brexit out of the equation and she's been a decent MP for Wakefield.
Although they are in different constituencies, I'd take Creagh over Jenkyns all day long.

As for how the result will affect Trnity, we are more than likely heading for a hung Parliament and in fairness, the local council will have far more say, in what may happen, than the MP's
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Re: O/T General Election : Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:48 pm  
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I would point out that Boris voted twice against the May deal therefore ensuring Brexit did not occur.
The election is not about Brexit which the current PM wants it to be but about how the country is run for the next five years and how it is now. I would suggest you forget Brexit when considering how to vote and think if you are happy with what it is now then vote for the status quo if not then select an alternative.
I will be voting Labour because I don’t like the country now or what it could become even based on his short time as PM. I hear the usual argument how things will be worse under Labour and Corbyn but as pointed out no one knows but what we do is how they are now.


I'll put it this way if you think there are some bad people around Boris and there are, there are far worse around Corbyn. When I said I hadn't made my mind up what I should have said was I haven't made my mind up to vote Liberal and hopefully blunt both.

What I am certain about is that a Corbyn Britain, especially one outside the EU will send this country to the wall and I think people really need to take this into account. We are at risk of losing markets and investors through Brexit no doubt but with a reactionary stone age socialist like Corbyn in charge we'd have lost the above even without Brexit!

Finally, when you say 'I hear the usual argument how things will be worse under Labour and Corbyn but as pointed out no one knows but what we do is how they are now' what do you mean? They are the usual arguments because they are true since the end of the war not one single genuinely socialist government anywhere has succeeded in any way. Everyone leaving the countries they took over far worse off than they were before, please name one that hasn't, I'd be fascinated. Remember, especially on the continent, the word 'Social or Socialist' in a parties name doesn't mean they are socialists.

It's fascinating stuff isn't it :D
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Re: O/T General Election : Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:58 pm  
Corbyn’s ‘socialist’ policies - renationalising the railway, boosting public services, a national education service, limited worker ownership etc - are hardly 1960s Soviet era. And, whilst you may not like them, they’re generally pretty popular with voters.
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Re: O/T General Election : Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:59 pm  
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Re: O/T General Election : Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:14 pm  
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Irrespective of views on Brexit, anybody who votes for the Tories is voting for another five years of austerity, cuts to vital public services, the continued degradation of the NHS and the ‘bonfire of regulations’ (ie. working peoples’ hard earned rights and protection) not to mention real cuts to income caused by a hard, harmful Brexit. Anybody who says, ‘I’ve been a Labour voter all my life but this time I’m going with Boris’ needs to give his/her head a good shake.


Taking Brexit out of it, I live in Normanton. The Labour candidate is one Yvette Cooper. Can’t exactly vote for her. But the way the Tories have run this country (I agree with you on that) means that I won’t vote for the Tory candidate either. I imagine this a problem a lot of Northern Cities/Towns have.
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Re: O/T General Election : Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:26 pm  
I'm just looking forward to the next smear campaign in the newspapers/national media on Corbyn. We've had the laughable 'terrorist sympathizer' to mention one...but what's next - Hitler's love child? Hates gays?
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Re: O/T General Election : Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:33 pm  
Any body who thinks MP's are interested in helping the general public are way of .They are just out to get out of the country what they can . In the 60 to half way through the 70 over 70% of the M Ps were working class . Now it's less than 7%
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Re: O/T General Election : Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:40 pm  
If voting made any difference, governments wouldn't allow it.
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Re: O/T General Election : Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:42 pm  
Fishermanscap wrote:
Finally, when you say 'I hear the usual argument how things will be worse under Labour and Corbyn but as pointed out no one knows but what we do is how they are now' what do you mean? They are the usual arguments because they are true since the end of the war not one single genuinely socialist government anywhere has succeeded in any way. Everyone leaving the countries they took over far worse off than they were before, please name one that hasn't, I'd be fascinated. Remember, especially on the continent, the word 'Social or Socialist' in a parties name doesn't mean they are socialists.


None of that makes any sense.

The Labour Party under Corbyn are not radical by any measure - and what he's proposing is a tried and tested model of Democratic Socialism, which is very successful in Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Canada, Ireland and others. Portraying it in any other way, is either deliberate misinformation, or a direct lift from a Daily Mail headline.

Interestingly, the stuff that really exercises the establishment - renationalising public utilities - has massive support among the electorate, regardless of which party they support. Go figure!
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Re: O/T General Election : Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:49 pm  
Bren2k What evidence do you have to support your claim that renationalisation has massive support from the electorate
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