There shouldn't be any excuses Wildmoggy which was my point, and my sarcasm was not intended at you btw, it would be good to see some entertaining rugby but when the players and the coaching staff aren't singing from the same song sheet then we have a problem, fans can sugar coat it all they want with the usual excuses over finances and injuries but there was no mention of these three week ago, either 30 players have got it wrong or the coaching staff, difficult for the CEO who has to keep finding the money for extra players while also asking players to take a pay cut, I'm sure that won't help matters either unfortunately.