Re: Whose advice do you take? : Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:23 pm  

upthecats wrote:

Because he had two good seasons finishing 5th.

Last season after the round 14 win at Huddersfield (half way through the season) we were 3rd in the league before we were crippled with injuries. Are you saying injuries played no part last season after such a good start when we were at full strength?

This season pre lockdown wasn’t the worst and I’m prepared to write this season off as it’s clearly having an affect.

So why should he not be given a chance after 2 and a half good seasons...or 1/2 of first, one full, 1st half of next, then an awful time with genuine reasons why?

Re: Whose advice do you take? : Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:43 pm  

My interest in the present season hovering aroud zero. I like to keep up to date with events but my enthusiasm gone.
Just what should the club do in a season thats lost . I excepted years ago that we are most unlikely to be challenging for honours then we managed to string a couple of seasons together that offered hope but then webt back.
The last 2 seasons have been a shambles you can blame injuries, tatics , recruitment or the coach but one things for sure C C can think himself fortunate on a couple of fronts. 1 injuries have played a part and definitely hindered results , however the constant changing of positions didnt help. 2 owners from other clubs would have been less patient but chester probably fits in to a wage bracjet that the club would have to increase should chester be removed. 3 The fans of the club have become extremely cost conscious when it comes to new signings and have excepted that the club has no or little money for quality players . Effectively the hard core of supporters will except average meritocracy with a couple of brilliant results along the way.

Re: Whose advice do you take? : Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:27 pm  

I can’t think of any club in any sport where the teams Coach or Manager can lose 22 games from 27, preside over uninspirational and dire performances lacking any passion for the shirt which culminate in a 58 - 0 and 38 - 0 shellackings and still have fans defending him and he keeps his job.

My worry isn’t for this season, though I do think the teams performances will cost us, my concern is that we are going with the same again when it will matter.

If this season offers the club anything it’s the chance to sweep the coaching deck and bring in someone totally new. Give that person the chance to assess his players, get them in superb physical condition and ingrain attacking and defensive systems in them so we can start next season with a chance of staying up.

Re: Whose advice do you take? : Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:15 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

I can’t think of any club in any sport where the teams Coach or Manager can lose 22 games from 27, preside over uninspirational and dire performances lacking any passion for the shirt which culminate in a 58 - 0 and 38 - 0 shellackings and still have fans defending him and he keeps his job.

Ian Watson at Salford lost 19 out of 26 games over the back end of the 2017 season and the 2018 season. They finished 11th in 2018 and won 2 out of their last 10 games. In that run they suffered defeats of......25-0...38-14....24-50....30-0....10-60...45-14...52-22....44-10...

Prior to that he'd finished 10th in his first season in charge but suffered points deduction and actually won the same amount of games as us {10}....the season after they finished 4th...we finished 5th...same wins {13}....then they nosedived to 11th.

Did they get twitchy and think....well we've survived and finished one spot above relegation? No, they stuck with their man who over the course of the last couple of seasons had done a decent job at one of the so called lower clubs. Last season they had a dream run to the end of the season and reached the gran final...a super advert for sticking with a man who's done well, followed by a poor run.

This season...after losing many top players they're again struggling and are currently sat with the same 2 wins from 9 games as us....should Salford be sacking Watson?

Re: Whose advice do you take? : Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:29 pm  

upthecats wrote:

Ian Watson at Salford lost 19 out of 26 games over the back end of the 2017 season and the 2018 season. They finished 11th in 2018 and won 2 out of their last 10 games. In that run they suffered defeats of......25-0...38-14....24-50....30-0....10-60...45-14...52-22....44-10...

Prior to that he'd finished 10th in his first season in charge but suffered points deduction and actually won the same amount of games as us {10}....the season after they finished 4th...we finished 5th...same wins {13}....then they nosedived to 11th.

Did they get twitchy and think....well we've survived and finished one spot above relegation? No, they stuck with their man who over the course of the last couple of seasons had done a decent job at one of the so called lower clubs. Last season they had a dream run to the end of the season and reached the gran final...a super advert for sticking with a man who's done well, followed by a poor run.

This season...after losing many top players they're again struggling and are currently sat with the same 2 wins from 9 games as us....should Salford be sacking Watson?

How many finals has Chester taken Trinity to in his time here? Is he going to take us to any finals this season?

The answer is none and (very likely) no, which means that it's not really comparing like for like. Watson has bought himself a stay of execution with that, Chester hasn't, but has presided over more and worse losses

Re: Whose advice do you take? : Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:42 pm  

Egg Banjo wrote:

How many finals has Chester taken Trinity to in his time here? Is he going to take us to any finals this season?

The answer is none and (very likely) no, which means that it's not really comparing like for like. Watson has bought himself a stay of execution with that, Chester hasn't, but has presided over more and worse losses

You have completely missed the point!

Watson had a shocking run 2017/18 but was not sacked...he then repaid that favour last season. If after that run, which is similar to our last 12-18 months they had sacked him...would they have reached the grand final last season?

I’m not saying we’re going to get to finals...to be honest though you could assemble the best coaching staff in the history of rugby league and we’d be struggling!

The fact is, unless a Wakey fan wins the euro millions and pumps it into the club then we’re always going to be flirting round the bottom end of the table with the possibility of sneaking into the playoffs if we had some real good luck with injuries...

Maybe what’s needed most of all is some harsh decisions on our so called top stars who spend more time on the sidelines than on the pitch?

Re: Whose advice do you take? : Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:48 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

5 wins from 25 with embarrassing losses to nil, passionless, clueless performances, same structural problems for the last 5 years despite being able to work with the same core group of players during that time.

You can call fans who aren’t happy “ grudge fans” whatever that means or insinuate that anyone not seeing unicorns and rainbows in our performances aren’t “genuine fans” all you like. The fact is we’ve been rank bad awful for at least 2 years, maybe it’s the Brian Smith factor wearing off or maybe the John Kear influence dissipating but Chester’s obviously not good enough!

It’s not the Wrong forwards, wrong platform, wrong halfbacks, wrong selection that’s the issue it’s the fact we’ve got the Wrong Coach! He been trying now for about 8 years and like HKR before us we’re now suffering from the coaches inadequacy!

I never said all fans who aren't happy are grudge fans. Far from it!! There are grudge fans. Not many, but there certainly are some! Also if genuine folk want a change in coach, it doesn't fuss me. I get it. In every sport, some fans want change, some fans dont. We're no different.
One of my points was the past 18 months has been incredibly difficult for the club and it's been extremely trying for Chezzy and the coaches and I've empathy with that.
But you've cleared it up for me if I was in any doubt, you want a new coach

Re: Whose advice do you take? : Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:49 pm  

The difference between us and Salford is when there Coach took over they were skint ,and people were saying there would not survive the season .last year they had at least 5 players move on to bigger clubs .Mr Chester took over a good fit squad witch.after 2 season needed tweaking and we gone down hill from there big time .Ever though were we would be if our 5 best players ad moved on at the same time .

Re: Whose advice do you take? : Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:59 pm  

alegend wrote:

The difference between us and Salford is when there Coach took over they were skint ,and people were saying there would not survive the season .last year they had at least 5 players move on to bigger clubs .Mr Chester took over a good fit squad witch.after 2 season needed tweaking and we gone down hill from there big time .Ever though were we would be if our 5 best players ad moved on at the same time .

Watson took over as coach in 2015..

Re: Whose advice do you take? : Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:27 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

5 wins from 25 with embarrassing losses to nil, passionless, clueless performances, same structural problems for the last 5 years despite being able to work with the same core group of players during that time.

You can call fans who aren’t happy “ grudge fans” whatever that means or insinuate that anyone not seeing unicorns and rainbows in our performances aren’t “genuine fans” all you like. The fact is we’ve been rank bad awful for at least 2 years, maybe it’s the Brian Smith factor wearing off or maybe the John Kear influence dissipating but Chester’s obviously not good enough!

It’s not the Wrong forwards, wrong platform, wrong halfbacks, wrong selection that’s the issue it’s the fact we’ve got the Wrong Coach! He been trying now for about 8 years and like HKR before us we’re now suffering from the coaches inadequacy!

Your post and that of Mick Amos' earlier were two very good posts imo giving sensible arguments for each school of thought, but on consideration I have to agree that your version of the state of affairs is the correct one, Avenger. The style of play and the results of the last two seasons are just unacceptable, and I'm afraid if Mr Carter still wants a Super League side in the seasons to come he's just got to bite the bullet and tell Chris Chester that his tenure is over or CC has to admit that he's lost the plot and resign. Nobody likes to lose their job, but it's a fact of life, sadly.

I seem to remember a short while ago Chris Chester making the public announcement on the following lines; " Signing Danny Brough is the last piece in the jigsaw in bringing success to Wakefield Trinity." or words to that effect. Nuff said!!