Re: Joe arendal : Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:48 pm  

Strongest back line is..

Jowitt
Johnstone
Arundel
Lynne
Tupou

This is who should play v Wigan if fit...

Re: Joe arendal : Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:00 pm  

Got some sympathy with this, am totally sick and tired of watching opposing wingers being given a free run in and it happened twice with Senior. Arundal feeds his winger well and not many gets past him.

Re: Joe arendal : Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:58 am  

In my time I've seen some bizarre rants regarding the status of players but this one has me in hysterics.

Now I'm a huge Arundel fan, always have been, unlike those who've suddenly made him the messiah of centres, the best since Neil Fox it would seem.

Well he isn't, he's the most natural centre we have and in due course will get his chance but after an ACL the coaches will be wary and as we already have two excellent centres in their own ways, why rush.

I can just about get the Hampshire obsession with some on here but Arundel, are we seriously suggesting he is the players to fix things even though he plays in a position that isn't the issue!

Soft forwards, that's our problem, Dave was poor, the rest of the props not much better, Tanginoa had his most invisible game ever (in attack) and so on.

True Senior is raw but the damage is done long before it gets to a winger, once there is an overlap there isn't much you can do. Leeds stacked that right edge, it was obvious yet nobody gets across to cover the gaps. The only players truly putting themselves about in defence were Miller, Westerman and Crowther.

Might also note that it was on the left edge, not the right where two tries were bombed.

Finally had that Ref not given a forward pass and let's be honest had it been Leeds he probably wouldn't have then we'd have possibly drawn the game in the last minute. Then we may have won it in extra time and all on here would be sunshine and light.

Get a grip, man up and move on to the next game, like the team has to do. You win some, you lose some, petulance and self-pity though is not the recipe to change anything. That is why we all stand on the terraces whilst those who can play get on with it, yes even the new messiah himself St Joe.

Re: Joe arendal : Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:00 am  

asmadasa wrote:

Strongest back line is..

Jowitt
Johnstone
Arundel
Lynne
Tupou

This is who should play v Wigan if fit...

In your opinion, which is wrong, in my opinion.

I don't mind you expressing your opinions but stating them as indisputable fact isn't on, unless you are Wayne Bennett or similar, are you Wayne Bennett or similar?

Re: Joe arendal : Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:01 am  

Well pointed out Vastman . What the hell is winger supposed to do when there is an overlap, Come in and take the man with the ball? Fine if he manages it. If not looks a fool, Stay on his wing and let centre or whoever to stroll in? Can’t win . The problem is created infield where tackles are missed , a ball slipped by a prop who is attracting two or more players or players are not sliding across etc.

Re: Joe arendal : Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:11 am  

pamsboy wrote:

Well pointed out Vastman . What the hell is winger supposed to do when there is an overlap, Come in and take the man with the ball? Fine if he manages it. If not looks a fool, Stay on his wing and let centre or whoever to stroll in? Can’t win . The problem is created infield where tackles are missed , a ball slipped by a prop who is attracting two or more players or players are not sliding across etc.

Yep, it's not rocket science yet it seems to be too some on here.

Where defence is concerned, that is and always had been the job of the forwards. I accept that the backs now play a bigger part than they used to but the ball gets out wide too quickly when the forwards are not doing their jobs.

Ditto making yards, especially from on our own line, is also the forward's job. I don't care how big our backs are including Joe, I don't want to see them wearing themselves out running the ball all day long, occasionally yes but all the time no!

At the end of the day, it's about sharing the effort. Nobody expects Fifita to run in two lengths of the field tries, so why do we expect the backs to run the hard yards and do so much defending!

Fifita, Green etc are not expected to run great distances or make loads of last-ditch cover tackle, that is not their job. What they are expected to do is cart that ball up hard and straight and tackle anything that moves. They work in increments of 10 meters, Tom Johnstone works in increments of 100 meters. TJ is doing his 100 meters, too many of our forwards are not even getting close to 1 meter in some cases.

Ditto tackling, Dave in particular put in some dreadfully weak attempted tackles in but he wasn't alone.

I say again our forwards have gone soft, certainly our big men with the exception of Arona and occasionally Westerman. Some just about do enough and some don't.

The one great hope I have for our pack is that Battye will show the way. Not the biggest or the most gifted but he can play and above all he gets into the opposition. I can only hope his attitude eventually rubs off and where he goes others will follow.

The forwards lost us the game, the forwards lose most games in truth but in fairness, they win most games also.

Re: Joe arendal : Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:33 am  

Think Mr Chester and Co should watch the Panthers v Storm game to learn how to defend wide out .No players rushing out of line, eyes on the ball , and the defence moving side ways like a machine .And all done with out panic and at a slow pace

Re: Joe arendal : Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:42 am  

vastman wrote:

In my time I've seen some bizarre rants regarding the status of players but this one has me in hysterics.

Now I'm a huge Arundel fan, always have been, unlike those who've suddenly made him the messiah of centres, the best since Neil Fox it would seem.

Well he isn't, he's the most natural centre we have and in due course will get his chance but after an ACL the coaches will be wary and as we already have two excellent centres in their own ways, why rush.

I can just about get the Hampshire obsession with some on here but Arundel, are we seriously suggesting he is the players to fix things even though he plays in a position that isn't the issue!

Soft forwards, that's our problem, Dave was poor, the rest of the props not much better, Tanginoa had his most invisible game ever (in attack) and so on.

True Senior is raw but the damage is done long before it gets to a winger, once there is an overlap there isn't much you can do. Leeds stacked that right edge, it was obvious yet nobody gets across to cover the gaps. The only players truly putting themselves about in defence were Miller, Westerman and Crowther.

Might also note that it was on the left edge, not the right where two tries were bombed.

Finally had that Ref not given a forward pass and let's be honest had it been Leeds he probably wouldn't have then we'd have possibly drawn the game in the last minute. Then we may have won it in extra time and all on here would be sunshine and light.

Get a grip, man up and move on to the next game, like the team has to do. You win some, you lose some, petulance and self-pity though is not the recipe to change anything. That is why we all stand on the terraces whilst those who can play get on with it, yes even the new messiah himself St Joe.

Fair comment apart from the Fifita dig. If DF was poor then the rest were worse (check the stats).

Re: Joe arendal : Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:49 am  

alegend wrote:

Think Mr Chester and Co should watch the Panthers v Storm game to learn how to defend wide out .No players rushing out of line, eyes on the ball , and the defence moving side ways like a machine .And all done with out panic and at a slow pace

Yes because the players in the middle have done their job!

The backs won't rush out of the line if the defence has moved as one. There is nothing special about the NRL wide players you refer to, they would panic just as much if they were caught out 2 on 1 every set of 6.

You seriously don't think Chester knows that? It is not Chesters job to teach players the basics of the game, the middle players know what they have to do or they shouldn't be SL players and when they don't the results are that we are exposed out wide.

Why people bash the backs every time we are beaten out wide is beyond me. Occasionally it's the winger or centres fault but far more often it's poor defending in the middle. It's those players who should be getting the grief IMHO.

Re: Joe arendal : Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:56 am  

Brightside wrote:

Fair comment apart from the Fifita dig. If DF was poor then the rest were worse (check the stats).

He was poor in his first stint and missed an incredibly easy tackle that let in a try. What you have to remember is that DF is our highest-paid player and with that comes a responsibility to play above the norm. More money less leeway I'm afraid.

In the same way superstar, TJ can't afford many mistakes in the backline the same applies to Dave. Relative to his ability Dave had a poor game,

My point is TJ did the special things we expect from him, DF simply didn't regardless of stats.

That's not to say DF should be dropped, he wasn't that bad but he wasn't the Dave we need or the one we had 2 years ago. We need Dave back ASAP, he's vital that's why we pay him so much, stats alone don't cover that IMHO.

He's also far from alone, he just happens to be the top forward we have which is why I zeroed onto him.