Re: All Stars : Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:14 am  

Was little more than a training match for England, bit disappointed with the spectacle. It’s tough getting some mid season opposition for us however so it is what is.

Though I think we’re some way behind the Kangaroos and NZ currently I don’t think we should be failing to make the semis. There’s some quality from the NRL who may bolster Fiji, Samoa etc but not enough IMO

You know what you’re getting with Wane and it might not be pretty but the defence should be enough to see us passed everyone up to Tonga. The NRL contingent should change things up a bit for us, though admittedly they aren’t the likes of Sam Burgess, James Graham etc anymore. Farnworth will be a welcome asset for the 3/4s and we’ll get some decent options in for the pack. I’d support McIlorum staying in the side if Roby can’t be tempted back but would do away with McShane and look to Leeming as back up.

Re: All Stars : Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:07 am  

Despite what people think State of Origin hasn’t always been the pinnacle of the game in Australia.

When I lived there it was a total nothing game.

Then three things happened. One it was re-formatted as a three match comp, absolutely vital should we want to emulate it. Secondly it was rebranded with a long term strategy that was adhered to. Finally and in its own way just as vital the first game of the new format involved a huge punch up within the first ten minutes or there a outs I believe. This immediately turned the game and the series into a grudge match that’s still running today.

The template is there. So far we have failed on every front. Truth is it doesn’t really matter if it’s WOR or All stars or whatever. If you make those three things happen it will work. Maybe not to SOO levels but useful all the same.

For me I’d do War of the Roses but based on the team you play for. With clubs east of the pennies as Yorkshire. West as Lancashire. Where your from is irrelevant so overseas can play though I’d limit the numbers to thee per team and one pivot, one forward and one back.

However it all takes vision and perseverance, two things we lack and the NRL doesn’t. I’d also make it winner takes all withe the losing team expenses only.

Re: All Stars : Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:17 am  

wakefieldwall wrote:

Was little more than a training match for England, bit disappointed with the spectacle. It’s tough getting some mid season opposition for us however so it is what is.

Though I think we’re some way behind the Kangaroos and NZ currently I don’t think we should be failing to make the semis. There’s some quality from the NRL who may bolster Fiji, Samoa etc but not enough IMO

You know what you’re getting with Wane and it might not be pretty but the defence should be enough to see us passed everyone up to Tonga. The NRL contingent should change things up a bit for us, though admittedly they aren’t the likes of Sam Burgess, James Graham etc anymore. Farnworth will be a welcome asset for the 3/4s and we’ll get some decent options in for the pack. I’d support McIlorum staying in the side if Roby can’t be tempted back but would do away with McShane and look to Leeming as back up.

With Polynesian players or heritage players making up about 50% of the NRL there will be some quality in Samoa, Tonga and Fiji. 100% Wane is the man for the job, I just don’t think we have the quality like back in 2017 unfortunately, where as the tier 2 counties have gotten a lot stronger. I’ll be supporting England all the way, I personally think we’ll have a job on getting to the SF!

Re: All Stars : Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:14 pm  

The 3 Wakey players went ok, without being prolific.
Fifita looked good in both attack and defence and seemed to get through plenty of work.
Tangianoa was ok and the All Stars should have scored from his break and Miller was steady away.

Always tough playing in a scratch side with little preparation and just as long as they all came through injury free, job done.

Ultimately this was a game to give England some game time, without their Aussie based players.

The biggest plus for England was their defence, which will need to be good to give us any chance of a decent world cup.

Cant see us getting beyond the semis but, IF the side can get some momentum, home advantage could help us along.

Re: All Stars : Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:34 pm  

vastman wrote:

Despite what people think State of Origin hasn’t always been the pinnacle of the game in Australia.

When I lived there it was a total nothing game.

Then three things happened. One it was re-formatted as a three match comp, absolutely vital should we want to emulate it. Secondly it was rebranded with a long term strategy that was adhered to. Finally and in its own way just as vital the first game of the new format involved a huge punch up within the first ten minutes or there a outs I believe. This immediately turned the game and the series into a grudge match that’s still running today.

The template is there. So far we have failed on every front. Truth is it doesn’t really matter if it’s WOR or All stars or whatever. If you make those three things happen it will work. Maybe not to SOO levels but useful all the same.

For me I’d do War of the Roses but based on the team you play for. With clubs east of the pennies as Yorkshire. West as Lancashire. Where your from is irrelevant so overseas can play though I’d limit the numbers to thee per team and one pivot, one forward and one back.

However it all takes vision and perseverance, two things we lack and the NRL doesn’t. I’d also make it winner takes all withe the losing team expenses only.

Prior to 1980 there was no 'State of Origin'. What existed was the 'Interstate Series' NSW v QLD in which players represented the state in which they played their football rather than the state where they were born. NSW came to dominate the Interstate games particularly after 1956 when pokies were legalised in NSW. This gave the NSW clubs the finances to cherry pick the best players from the QLD competition. So you had a situations where such as that great Queensland footballer Arthur Beetson represented NSW
. The third game of the 1980 and 1981 interstate series was designated State of Origin whereby players would represent their state of birth . Initially there was scepticism around the 'mate against mate' concept but that went out of the window the moment that Big Artie clocked his Paramatta team mate Mick Cronin. From then it was game on. and from 1982 0nwards it became the three game State of Origin series.

I take your point about Yorkshire V Lancashire but I doubt that it would ever generate the same high profile event as SoO as there isn't the emnity there as in Oz, much of which was generated by NSW taking QLD's best players to play against QLD in the old interstate series. QLD sold the SoO on the basis of 'our boys are coming home to play for us' which after all the floggings over the years in the interstate series caught the imagination of Queenslanders.

Re: All Stars : Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:02 pm  

LyndsayGill wrote:

Prior to 1980 there was no 'State of Origin'. What existed was the 'Interstate Series' NSW v QLD in which players represented the state in which they played their football rather than the state where they were born. NSW came to dominate the Interstate games particularly after 1956 when pokies were legalised in NSW. This gave the NSW clubs the finances to cherry pick the best players from the QLD competition. So you had a situations where such as that great Queensland footballer Arthur Beetson represented NSW
. The third game of the 1980 and 1981 interstate series was designated State of Origin whereby players would represent their state of birth . Initially there was scepticism around the 'mate against mate' concept but that went out of the window the moment that Big Artie clocked his Paramatta team mate Mick Cronin. From then it was game on. and from 1982 0nwards it became the three game State of Origin series.

I take your point about Yorkshire V Lancashire but I doubt that it would ever generate the same high profile event as SoO as there isn't the emnity there as in Oz, much of which was generated by NSW taking QLD's best players to play against QLD in the old interstate series. QLD sold the SoO on the basis of 'our boys are coming home to play for us' which after all the floggings over the years in the interstate series caught the imagination of Queenslanders.

Nowhere in my post did I say it would match SOO, what I said was the template was there and done right the series could be useful. Useful would do just fine.

Re: All Stars : Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:15 pm  

vastman wrote:

Nowhere in my post did I say it would match SOO, what I said was the template was there and done right the series could be useful. Useful would do just fine.

The problem is the players have to buy into it as a genuine trial match.

I went to the last one at Headingley and it was a joke.

1 side was 20 points or more up at half time and then managed to lose. Neither side took it seriously.

I’m not into the whole hatred thing but we need to really play up to the Yorkshire Lancashire rivalry.

The QLD vs NSW rivalry was stoked by the NSW clubs taking all the top players but also by the fact there was a deep seated resentment over a plan to basically give up QLD to the Nazi’s during WWII should they have attempted to land in Australia.

Lots of history there, just like the old war of the roses.

Promote it like a WWE event stir up the history and get all stakeholders to buy into it and you have a product. Few of the players need to act as “heels” and be willing to get a bit personal over the other team in the build up. A bit of a pantomime villain on both sides wouldn’t go a miss.


I cannot see how we make it into a 3 game series though. We don’t have the depth for some clubs to no doubt be decimated over 3 rounds by having their best payers unavailable.

We the punter have to back it too and probably accept the concept will take time to bed in, rugby league folk are great folk but I think we do struggle to look at the longer term benefits if something doesn’t work straight away.

Re: All Stars : Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:44 pm  

vastman wrote:

Nowhere in my post did I say it would match SOO, what I said was the template was there and done right the series could be useful. Useful would do just fine.

You're absolutely right, you didn't say it would match SoO. It was me, I did. I doubt that it would match SoO. I also said that I take your point about about a Yorkshire v Lancashire. Jesus, you even disagree with people who are trying to agree agree with you

Re: All Stars : Sun Jun 19, 2022 7:30 pm  

LyndsayGill wrote:

You're absolutely right, you didn't say it would match SoO. It was me, I did. I doubt that it would match SoO. I also said that I take your point about about a Yorkshire v Lancashire. Jesus, you even disagree with people who are trying to agree agree with you

Nope just think o worded my response poorly, it happens.

Re: All Stars : Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:20 pm  

I often wonder how two teams made up of rivals might fire up players and fans?
Team made up of players from Saints, Hull KR and Castleford versus team of Wigan, Hull FC and Wakefield. It can be fun at Magic Weekend when fans latch onto a 2nd club for neutral games and chant alongside another teams fans.