Re: Full Time KR 15 - Trinity 10 : Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:16 pm  

Prince Buster wrote:

Yes there is no parachute payment all clubs were remined of that this week by the RFL. The other thing to account for is that although new facilities will give a financial boost, once the club stary to use them ,the ground mortgage kicks in. This could eat up all the benefits. If our B.o.D are still around , i really cant see them putting their own money in so part time looks to be the only solution i would have thought.

Well if we can’t raise a team to compete in at the least the playoffs in championship the club will likely end up like Bulls/London. That will be sad.

Re: Full Time KR 15 - Trinity 10 : Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:20 pm  

charlie63wildcat wrote:

Michael has done what he can with small resources. If I have a criticism, it's around recruitment and failing to try to address key positions but, as he has often said, bring me 2-3 thousand more fans and he'll deliver a better squad.
He has managed to get us to a place nobody has in 50+ years; a modern and renovated ground. Nobody knows for sure what is coming in super league but clubs like ours are invaluable to rugby league and I suspect we are not as unpopular as the paranoia we sometimes feel.
Our luck looks like it has run out. I don't think anyone else could have done a better job with the club since Michael took over post Glover collapse. Between the shenanigans of wmdc and York Court, covid, which is always going to affect smaller clubs more and some rank bad luck with injuries for 4 years, his good stewardship looks like is not getting its just rewards. Thanks for your efforts Michael
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Look i can see your point but lets be a little realistic. The journey to new facilities started around 2009 before anyone had even heard of Michael Carter. It should have happened well before his watch and with a decent council Ted may have got the benefit. Plenty of reasons for its delay but to my mind Peter Box was the main culprit. I am certain that if he was still been around we would be as far away as ever. That man had no intention of Trinity getting a bean before his beloved Cas. MC was in the right place st the right time and with Box departing things started to move. More credit to JM actually as he has been the one who has steered things through. But Luck and timming have been a massive factor

Re: Full Time KR 15 - Trinity 10 : Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:36 pm  

Prince Buster wrote:

Look i can see your point but lets be a little realistic. The journey to new facilities started around 2009 before anyone had even heard of Michael Carter. It should have happened well before his watch and with a decent council Ted may have got the benefit. Plenty of reasons for its delay but to my mind Peter Box was the main culprit. I am certain that if he was still been around we would be as far away as ever. That man had no intention of Trinity getting a bean before his beloved Cas. MC was in the right place st the right time and with Box departing things started to move. More credit to JM actually as he has been the one who has steered things through. But Luck and timming have been a massive factor

Well, I beg to differ, though I am probably remiss not to mention John Minards. Luck had nothing to do with it. Michael and the team have had to apply all sorts of legal and political pressure to get the stadium over the line and I don't think our playing situation warrants the belittling of that achievement. It is sad that our playing fall is occurring now but I'm not for catastrophising about it till we know what the situation is, should our increasingly likely relegation occur

Re: Full Time KR 15 - Trinity 10 : Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:38 pm  

The club are the ones generating the income and deciding the player budget. The fact that despite the number of years we have been in SL. We still have the lowest salary cap which is nothing to be proud of but is in fact a failure of those in charge of money generation. We do not have a Ken Davy but not all the clubs do but they are obviously better at raising finances.
We have one of the highest season ticket prices, you have to pay an annual fee to get in the bar and then the bar prices I believe are excessive compared to and I don’t want to say it the con club for example. We have no marketing of matches or if we do I have missed it.
I know Vastman will be disgusted but Castleford manage to attract far larger crowds with increased sales revenue,which allows them to recruit better players.
I like many on here remember the years in the wilderness of the championship it is not the panacea some supporters believe it is. We went for several years seeing our better discoveries leaving for the bigger clubs. I hope I am wrong but I would not be surprised to see us drop to part time to cover the reduced money and maybe we will see other departures.
With regards the game on the radio it said, during the water break Hull KR huddled up to discuss the strategy with an assistant coach whilst we just drank the water.

Re: Full Time KR 15 - Trinity 10 : Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:12 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

For those who were around in the era just after the 60s, followed by the fight to get back into the top flight in the mid 90s and subsequently the euphoria of winning the Grand Final at a Night to Remember over in Huddersfield, I am furious at how we are so apathetic about getting relegated.

We fought so hard to win our place in SL, we kicked the doors in when they tried to deny us, we surpassed all expectations in that 1st season when they refused to offer us any SL money and Andy Kelly’s teams were the epitome of true Wakefield Trinity players, they never buckled to anyone!

I am not looking forward to being relegated and don’t accept that “the club will find its natural level” crap

Quite a few of those players on show today aren’t fit to lace the boots of those players that have gone before , and are an embarrassment to our once great club .

Re: Full Time KR 15 - Trinity 10 : Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:15 pm  

Just to say well done to the decent following from Trinity who made the trip to Craven Park today.

I was relieved to get the win because otherwise we would have been well and truly dragged into the dog fight. I personally hope you stay up because you are a proud and historic club and really all you need is a bit more money to get somewhere near the full salary cap. With the stadium improvements maybe you could achieve this so how ironic if just when you finally get the much needed new facilities you find yourselves in the championship.

It's not all yet over so keep the faith.

Re: Full Time KR 15 - Trinity 10 : Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:06 pm  

His Bobness wrote:

Just to say well done to the decent following from Trinity who made the trip to Craven Park today.

I was relieved to get the win because otherwise we would have been well and truly dragged into the dog fight. I personally hope you stay up because you are a proud and historic club and really all you need is a bit more money to get somewhere near the full salary cap. With the stadium improvements maybe you could achieve this so how ironic if just when you finally get the much needed new facilities you find yourselves in the championship.

It's not all yet over so keep the faith.

I echo this and I couldnt help but think you had 2 sets of fans who went through the ringer today either their physically or on here whilst over in France, I'd be quite certain the vast majority of "Toulouse "fans" probably wouldn't even know the score and having seen French RL fans they really do not 'feel' like English fans. It might sound harsh but they're just ..there and might enjoy what's being served up on the day but yeah..maybe if there was astrong French league (actually there already is but why that isnt focused to get stronger domestically then bringing more Frenchteams here I dont know!) Theyd be more on tune in that aswell.

Re: Full Time KR 15 - Trinity 10 : Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:22 pm  

Well, for those of us who made the trip over, we were treated to another abject attacking "performance" and errors galore.
Penalties against with ball in hand have to be THE worst offence and we gave some of these today.
Coupled with a completion rate that makes losing a certainty, we got what we deserved.
Very similar to the Toulouse game in Toulouse.

It's got to be said that we are the worst side in the comp and look nailed on to lose this year's battle to remain in SL.

There is some effort there but, we're not good enough and it's an absolute travesty that this group of players are the team that will take the club into The Championship.

We've survived in SL with far worse squads than this but, all confidence has gone and we now look like the side that Tony (Casper) Smith took to the brink.

Sorry, Willie, it's time for a knight in shining armour, if we can find one. I'm absolutely gutted today as KR were there for the taking but, we couldn't build any pressure.
There was a slight effort with 10 minutes left on the clock but, clearly, that isn't and never has been good enough

Re: Full Time KR 15 - Trinity 10 : Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:01 am  

Willzay wrote:

Stuff what Bigmouth says this is on the owners.

Don't be so ridiculous. Yes the BOD's have played a part but its on the players and the coaches by a mile.

Re: Full Time KR 15 - Trinity 10 : Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:32 pm  

Who was it that ran out of the line for KR third try.