Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:00 am  

snowie wrote:

if you think the Wakefield Express reads this thread and takes all the crap put on here to get some kind journal out they must be pretty poor,
do you not think that there are posters that are jealous of the fact a scheme has been devised that for once looks pretty good and serves the community as well as the Wakefield Trinity Wildcats

let me think how they would print it

As quoted by errrrrr rugbyball

Im not jealous why should I be after all its not your stadium anyway, its the communities stadium and featherstone have been asked if they would like to be joint tenants anyway. We have declined so how can we be jealous.

All this started because I stated my belief that their was little point in letters to the Wakefield Express and that their were other issues that would be more pertinent. If fans of your club put as much effort into canvassing for new supporters as it they have canvassing other people to build as stadium FOR your use, your club would be much more healthy for it, and may even be able to finance your own stadium. And I know you have more supporters than us the point being where not asking other people to sort out our mess.

I have a question for you, why have your club not invested the money they received from the sale of your present ground into a new stadium? It seems to me that all along your club and supporters have expected someone else to make it happen for you, while you have a go at the likes of Cas who have invested heavily into making their stadium happen THEMSELVES.

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:13 am  

rugbyball wrote:

I have a question for you, why have your club not invested the money they received from the sale of your present ground into a new stadium? It seems to me that all along your club and supporters have expected someone else to make it happen for you, while you have a go at the likes of Cas who have invested heavily into making their stadium happen THEMSELVES.

Cas aren’t funding the stadium for themselves, they need outside investment, like Trinity, otherwise it would’ve been built already. Part of the sale of BV is going towards the new stadium. So one could say both clubs have invested heavily into making their stadiums happen.

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:30 am  

Rugbyball. All forums feature posters who take extreme views and are very prejudicial attitudes regarding the activities of their own and other clubs. Our board is no different. I think however that your propensity to talk about our club and our fans as being a hermogenous group with identical values and attitudes is unjustified and, on the Wakefield forum, not in the best spirit of dialogue (sure I know others have done it from a Wakefield perspective too and whilst this doesn't make this right at least they are doing it on their own forum).

I don't know if you are in posession of all the facts, or if you have ever worked in a role as a community activit tring to influence local authorities.
Taking on such a role, as activists at SWAG have done, is somewhat like committing to negotiating with the wind about how the sand should be blown about. You have very few cards in your hand to play, you often only get access to the monkey firing the organ grinders bullets and you are subject to the vagaries of decision makers who are in position because they have won popularity contests rather than because they have the capacity to act strategically in the best interests of the community.

The worse part of this, in my experience, is having to play politics with adversaries for whom polotics is their day job. This often involves them spreading information which doesn't always have a robust evidence base. Once such information gets into local media it takes a herculean effort to change public perception.

Consequently I think the activists at SWAG are perfectly entitled to defend their position and encourage those who so wish to write to the local rag singing the praises of the proposed communit stadium. I can't for the life of me understand why anyone with the best interests of RL at heart would seek to discourage them from doing so.

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:47 am  

rugbyball wrote:

Wow you really are paranoid. You carry on, do you not think that WE take the odd glance on here, and having read your remarks and stirring up of emotion, Im sure they will be only too happy to play ball with you.

And as for clarity, do you not think people are capeable to read the thread themselves without you giving them your summary on my posts.

Seems you want to go to war with everyone who as an opposing view to you

That might be so!

I know they do - they then sometimes 'randomly' ring me up and ask me what's the latest. I have made them aware that we have not been happy with their coverage and they can take or leave that as they seem fit. They have a job to do and I will respect that.

Yes - but no harm done in these situations.

I will reserve the right to protect what I hold dear. I do know what we have achieved to get this far and I hope that, this time, we will cross the finish line!

Thank you for the concern!

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:48 am  

owiepob wrote:

I think the activists at SWAG are perfectly entitled to defend their position and encourage those who so wish to write to the local rag singing the praises of the proposed communit stadium. I can't for the life of me understand why anyone with the best interests of RL at heart would seek to discourage them from doing so.

I totally agree.

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:43 am  

TRB wrote:

That might be so!

I know they do - they then sometimes 'randomly' ring me up and ask me what's the latest. I have made them aware that we have not been happy with their coverage and they can take or leave that as they seem fit. They have a job to do and I will respect that.

Yes - but no harm done in these situations.

I will reserve the right to protect what I hold dear. I do know what we have achieved to get this far and I hope that, this time, we will cross the finish line!

Thank you for the concern!

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:13 am  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

Cas aren’t funding the stadium for themselves, they need outside investment, like Trinity, otherwise it would’ve been built already. Part of the sale of BV is going towards the new stadium. So one could say both clubs have invested heavily into making their stadiums happen.

are we putting up some cash, but going to pay a reduced rent for a period of time?? I think I heard!!!!

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:03 pm  

kinleycat wrote:

are we putting up some cash, but going to pay a reduced rent for a period of time?? I think I heard!!!!

Not sure, but it makes sense not to overprice the rent, something the LSV has suffered from with Leigh Genesis.

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:50 pm  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

Not sure, but it makes sense not to overprice the rent, something the LSV has suffered from with Leigh Genesis.

And in all fairness, we should pay less if we have contributed initially. It would be unfair to charge all tennants the same if they have not given the same level of financial support to the development.

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:57 pm  

kinleycat wrote:

And in all fairness, we should pay less if we have contributed initially. It would be unfair to charge all tennants the same if they have not given the same level of financial support to the development.

I would've thought there will be some sort of scale, professional teams will obviously pay more then semi-pro, but a fine balance has to be struck in keep the facility financially viable and ensuring sports team are not priced out of operating from there.