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Re: Stadium Statement : Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:31 pm  
Looking at this from another angle if the club had any real ambition the stadium agenda should have been pushed hard as soon as we got into super league in 1999 - the years have passed and we only kick into gear when we really have to and are now fighting against time and against incompetent councilors whose interests apparently lie elsewhere. Belle Vue hasnt changed in years and years apart from the hotel and electronic scoreboard. The book stops with Ted -improving Belle Vue or building a new ground especially in labours golden boom should have been pushed harder yet we just seem happy to be there. Now we are panicking and trying to build a stadium when major cuts are just being announced to every council amid the global recession. If the stadium is built in time I will be amazed.
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Re: Stadium Statement : Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:40 pm  
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Looking at this from another angle if the club had any real ambition the stadium agenda should have been pushed hard as soon as we got into super league in 1999 - the years have passed and we only kick into gear when we really have to and are now fighting against time and against incompetent councilors whose interests apparently lie elsewhere. Belle Vue hasnt changed in years and years apart from the hotel and electronic scoreboard. The book stops with Ted -improving Belle Vue or building a new ground especially in labours golden boom should have been pushed harder yet we just seem happy to be there. Now we are panicking and trying to build a stadium when major cuts are just being announced to every council amid the global recession. If the stadium is built in time I will be amazed.


To be fair neither cas or wake's stadiums will be built by the time franchise applications happen, the applications go in early next year
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Re: Stadium Statement : Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:45 pm  
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To be fair neither cas or wake's stadiums will be built by the time franchise applications happen, the applications go in early next year
if it helps us to gain extra brownie points I expect to move to Barnsley to survive until we get the stadium, it has to be our way of fighting off the move to glasshoughton, we either merge or move and I would rather we move for both clubs
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Re: Stadium Statement : Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:58 pm  
Oh dear... everybody is getting in a bit of a kerfuffle!!


I know I now live some 13000 miles from the action but I am a Trinity lad at heart and first went to Belle Vue in about 1968... so I asked myself some questions

if I were still in England...

Would I support Trinity if we moved stadium to another ground in the city.... yes!

Would I support Trinity if we shared that ground with another club.... yes!

Would I support the club if they moved to share with another club in a neighbouring district... No!

Would I support a merged club playing at a ground in the city... No!

Would I support Trinity playing on a park field in the national conference leagues at amateur level... Yes!

Its a no-brainer for me... if we move out of the city... or merge... the club ceases to exist in my mind and any new entity would not get my support!
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Re: Stadium Statement : Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:00 pm  
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Therer's only 1 with planning permission :wink:


Ive got planning permission to build a two storey extension on my house,but i dont have the funds to do the work.
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Re: Stadium Statement : Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:05 pm  
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Had a quick look at the WDMC website at the code of conduct for Councillors - not entirely sure cos as usual the way it is worded is far more complicated then it needs to be - but Boxes known Cas allegiance could imo fall under the definition of a prejudicial interest and therefore should imo prevent him from being involved in the discussions.

Exactly the same thing I read and we'll have to see in which direction Box tries to play this.But if it is the way we think,it can't be following there own code of conduct.
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Re: Stadium Statement : Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:06 pm  
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Dont think i am against wake and a stadium, but the problem you have got is that the council has to follow these guidelines

Under the Town and Country Planning Acts there is a presumption in favour of development. However within the Green Belt this situation is reversed and there is a general presumption against inappropriate development. Such development should not be approved, except in very special circumstances.

Inappropriate development is by definition harmful to the Green Belt. Very special circumstances will not exist unless the harm by reason of inappropriateness, and any other harm to the Green Belt, is clearly outweighed by other considerations. This is a tough test and it is for the applicant to show why permission should be granted. Whilst it is for the local planning authority to judge the special circumstances being put forward it would be unreasonable to give weight to a matter which national policy is unlikely to view as a very special circumstance. For example the fact that something can or cannot be seen should not be a determining factor. Planning applications for inappropriate development will, therefore, by their very nature, conflict with the development plan and if the Council wishes to grant permission the proposal must be treated as a departure from the development plan and referred to the Secretary of State.

That will cost a small fortune, believe me, and i has to be bourne by the developer in the first instance, they may get recompensed if the enquirery is sucessful, but its not always that way, Ive been involved pesonally with one of these and it is a long drawn out issue,


What you say is true regarding Public Inquiry but it refers to inappropriate development. Departures from the LDF are not uncommon and if the departure is fully supported by the Council the application when called in can be passed back to the Council to determine without the need for a Public Inquiry.

Not every departure leads to a Public Inquiry. Indeed you are probably aware that the Glasshoughton application involved some green belt land. The application was called in and passed back to the Council to determine without a Public Inquiry. The delays on Glasshoughton were as a result of the Highways Agency issuing an Article 14 Notice.

We now have a Government that is wanting to cut red tape and pass decision making back to a local level. They will not want the expense of a Public Inquiry and with the Private Sector putting in substantial funding into a Community Project it tick a lot of their boxes but not others. If the Council gives its 100% support to Newmarket there is every chance that planning could be passed in time for the next franchise bidding round.

Some would say, certainly not me, that the Council is deliberately delaying Newmarket to force Wakefield into a groundshare at Glasshoughton so that Castleford gets a Stadium and franchise for 2012 and to hell with Wakefield - they don't have much support in Wakefield so it has no political ramifications.

One thing is for certain its putting fan against fan which is the last thing we want but I fear the worst for the both of us. There are some difficult decisions to be made which inevitably are going to brass quite a few people off.
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Re: Stadium Statement : Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:06 pm  
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Oh dear... everybody is getting in a bit of a kerfuffle!!


I know I now live some 13000 miles from the action but I am a Trinity lad at heart and first went to Belle Vue in about 1968... so I asked myself some questions

if I were still in England...

Would I support Trinity if we moved stadium to another ground in the city.... yes!

Would I support Trinity if we shared that ground with another club.... yes!

Would I support the club if they moved to share with another club in a neighbouring district... No!

Would I support a merged club playing at a ground in the city... No!

Would I support Trinity playing on a park field in the national conference leagues at amateur level... Yes!

Its a no-brainer for me... if we move out of the city... or merge... the club ceases to exist in my mind and any new entity would not get my support!
the only way I would except a move away from the city is if the stadium has started the build and we can't move in but it gets us extra points for the franchise, I don't trust the RFL or Box
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Re: Stadium Statement : Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:13 pm  
bigalf wrote:
Grow Up!

I know ,it's so out of the realm of possibility that a life long Cas supporter,who is also the MP for the area ,could be some how looking after said clubs interests ahead of there local rivals .
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Re: Stadium Statement : Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:40 pm  
Shifty Cat wrote:
I know ,it's so out of the realm of possibility that a life long Cas supporter,who is also the MP for the area ,could be some how looking after said clubs interests ahead of there local rivals .


Box is not an MP. He is the council leader. In other words, a councilor... not a member of parliament. It doesn't make him any less of a two-faced ****, but all the same.
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