Re: bulls : Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:55 am  

I don't know why Wakefield keep getting dragged into Bradford's slanging matches. Salford are nearer the relegation battle than us and if results go in our favour this weekend they are the ones who should be sweating.

Re: bulls : Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:59 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

Wakefield hold their own destiny in their own hands now. With no points or all the points returned to Bradford. It's wakeys to lose.

Bradfords Points difference makes the gap even bigger to breach.

In a 14 team league 16 points would historically keep any team outside the bottom 2.

Absolutely spot on......Still can't help but look over my shoulder though.

Re: bulls : Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:11 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

I don't know why Wakefield keep getting dragged into Bradford's slanging matches. Salford are nearer the relegation battle than us and if results go in our favour this weekend they are the ones who should be sweating.

The sad thing is there should be no slanging match.
Sadly though some Bulls fans don't like their treatment though by the RFL and keep banging on about it.
If those supporters had some class and an ounce of dignity there would be no need for anyone else to interject.

Re: bulls : Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:13 pm  

A BULLS fan calling Wakey fans vile cretins is perhaps the biggest case of pot calling the kettle black I have seen for some time. Anyhow, like Avenger (i think) said a few days back, time to look up, not down. Let Bradford stew in relegation.

Re: bulls : Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:16 pm  

Well folks I have been looking into the workings of the High Court. From what I read it sits 4 periods within a year.
The present period is known as Trinity and it ends on 31 July.

The courts will not sit again till the next period starting 1 October.

Therefore I really can't see this sorry affair getting heard well after the season has finished. I therefore think this is nothing more than bluster from Green and all he is doing is spending a lot of money on an exercise in futility.

Re: bulls : Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:17 pm  

jack in the box wrote:

Well folks I have been looking into the workings of the High Court. From what I read it sits 4 periods within a year.
The present period is known as Trinity and it ends on 31 July.

The courts will not sit again till the next period starting 1 October.

Therefore I really can't see this sorry affair getting heard well after the season has finished. I therefore think this is nothing more than bluster from Green and all he is doing is spending a lot of money on an exercise in futility.

I don't think the action is about recovering the 6 points. I don't think the High Court has any jurisdiction over how the RFL/SL runs its business provided it's within the law and therefore cannot order the RFL to give the points back. My experience of the High Court is that Plaintiffs bring an action against Defendants because they have a dispute over interpretation of laws and or procedures and that interpretation or failure to follow procedures has cost the Plaintiff and has a result they have suffered financial loss.

In this case if the RFL has failed to follow its own procedures the Court can rule that and then the RFL would have to give the points back and then take them back off Bradford by following the correct procedure. The matter as to whether Bradford had suffered financially can be determined by the Court and Bradford awarded compensation accordingly.

You are correct about the sitting of the Court. This case is unlikely to be heard before November and could run into 2015.

As I said, I don't believe its about the points now. I think its about 2 things.

Firstly an attack on the RFL as the Bulls believe that the RFL has not treated them fairly. Maybe the RFL suggested Administration to the Bulls and said that there would not be a point deduction - which would have been contrary to what they did with us and Crusaders and totally different to how they were going to deal with us when Andrew Glover suggested Administration. Do you recall just after Marc Green was announced as the new owner there was a statement on the Bulls website that said something like that the RFL had agreed that were was to be no point deduction which was very quickly removed.

Secondly this case could drag on for quite a while and this maybe what the Bulls are hoping for. The uncertainty it could cause may result in the Bulls claiming that the RFL cannot set the format and fixtures for 2015 and therefore should put everything back 12 months until 2016. Consequently there would be be no relegation this year.

Just my opinion, I may be way off the mark.

Re: bulls : Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:25 pm  

Which is what I said days ago The Avenger wrote: The Bradford Bulls have today announced that they will take the RFL to the High Court in order to challenge the 6 point deduction. Mark Green says he's doing this not just for the Bulls but for the good of the wider game. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/28036876 in my opinion, The Bulls are no longer chasing the six points back. What they're doing now is trying to manufacture a situation whereby its impossible for the RFL to relegate them. They are trying to manipulate the decision for the SL to reduce to 12 clubs into a decision for it to reduce to 13 clubs with another club relegated next year taking us to the 12 club SL the Chairmen want. That in turn will push the 12 & three 8s format back another year, thereby curtailing the ambitions of the Championship clubs for that extra year. Nothing else about this decision would make any sense to me.

Which is what I said days ago The Avenger wrote: The Bradford Bulls have today announced that they will take the RFL to the High Court in order to challenge the 6 point deduction. Mark Green says he's doing this not just for the Bulls but for the good of the wider game. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/28036876 in my opinion, The Bulls are no longer chasing the six points back. What they're doing now is trying to manufacture a situation whereby its impossible for the RFL to relegate them. They are trying to manipulate the decision for the SL to reduce to 12 clubs into a decision for it to reduce to 13 clubs with another club relegated next year taking us to the 12 club SL the Chairmen want. That in turn will push the 12 & three 8s format back another year, thereby curtailing the ambitions of the Championship clubs for that extra year. Nothing else about this decision would make any sense to me.

Re: bulls : Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:36 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

Which is what I said days ago

Did not see your post but it looks like we are in agreement. The difference being that you think their aim is only to relegate 1 team this year and run with 13 next year whereas I think their aim is that no one get relegated and we start with 14 teams with everything else put back a year.

Don't think the Championship Clubs would buy this.

Re: bulls : Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:55 pm  

Sandal Cat wrote:

Don't think the Championship Clubs would buy this.

Or Sky

Re: bulls : Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:27 am  

Sandal Cat wrote:

I don't think the action is about recovering the 6 points. I don't think the High Court has any jurisdiction over how the RFL/SL runs its business provided it's within the law and therefore cannot order the RFL to give the points back. My experience of the High Court is that Plaintiffs bring an action against Defendants because they have a dispute over interpretation of laws and or procedures and that interpretation or failure to follow procedures has cost the Plaintiff and has a result they have suffered financial loss.

In this case if the RFL has failed to follow its own procedures the Court can rule that and then the RFL would have to give the points back and then take them back off Bradford by following the correct procedure. The matter as to whether Bradford had suffered financially can be determined by the Court and Bradford awarded compensation accordingly.

You are correct about the sitting of the Court. This case is unlikely to be heard before November and could run into 2015.

As I said, I don't believe its about the points now. I think its about 2 things.

Firstly an attack on the RFL as the Bulls believe that the RFL has not treated them fairly. Maybe the RFL suggested Administration to the Bulls and said that there would not be a point deduction - which would have been contrary to what they did with us and Crusaders and totally different to how they were going to deal with us when Andrew Glover suggested Administration. Do you recall just after Marc Green was announced as the new owner there was a statement on the Bulls website that said something like that the RFL had agreed that were was to be no point deduction which was very quickly removed.

Secondly this case could drag on for quite a while and this maybe what the Bulls are hoping for. The uncertainty it could cause may result in the Bulls claiming that the RFL cannot set the format and fixtures for 2015 and therefore should put everything back 12 months until 2016. Consequently there would be be no relegation this year.

Just my opinion, I may be way off the mark.

It was Mark Moore who was chairman when that statement was on the Bulls website, not Green who came along afterwards to purchase the club.