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Re: Hull KR - June 23rd : Sun Jun 25, 2023 3:30 pm  
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Of course that's an accident. The disciplinary certainly take that into consideration.


OK how about another one

Tackler comes in at sternum height and ball carrier rotates his hip to lead with the shoulder of the ball carrying arm making clear contact with the top of the defenders head causing a concussion.

Who’s fault is that?
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Re: Hull KR - June 23rd : Sun Jun 25, 2023 3:36 pm  
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OK how about another one

Tackler comes in at sternum height and ball carrier rotates his hip to lead with the shoulder of the ball carrying arm making clear contact with the top of the defenders head causing a concussion.

Who’s fault is that?


If he led with the elbow then the attacker is at fault.
Clearly I'm not a ref but I get what you are saying. It's not easy to make it black and white but they are trying to make it so to make it clearer.

If the defender 'accidentally' hits an attacker in the head in the act of making a tackle, unless the attacker makes it impossible not to, then it's careless at best but still warrants a sanction. Severity being relevant to the circumstances.
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Re: Hull KR - June 23rd : Sun Jun 25, 2023 3:46 pm  
The disciplinary panel will look at it and then you will get your answer one way or the other. I believe no action will be taken based on what I have seen.
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Re: Hull KR - June 23rd : Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:06 pm  
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If he led with the elbow then the attacker is at fault.
Clearly I'm not a ref but I get what you are saying. It's not easy to make it black and white but they are trying to make it so to make it clearer.

If the defender 'accidentally' hits an attacker in the head in the act of making a tackle, unless the attacker makes it impossible not to, then it's careless at best but still warrants a sanction. Severity being relevant to the circumstances.


Exactly, well almost.

It’s a high speed collision sport and two individuals are part of a collision, they’re both moving & reacting to the shifting posture of the other, it’s inevitable that with close to 400 collisions a game X 27 games a season that there will be contact with the head one way or the other. Unless it’s premeditated or malicious they’re both trying to avoid head contact but it happens sometimes and no one’s to blame.

My other point is that in their haste to eliminate defenders making head contact with attackers, particularly the banning of shoulder charges, they have created an imbalance in the collisions between attacker and defender.
Imaging someone like Jason Tamulolo charging at you and you have to open up your arms while trying to aim your shoulder under the ball then JT dips his body rotates his shoulder and hits you in the chest, something it’s illegal for you to do!
The rules have created an imbalance in those collisions which massively favours the attacking player while leaving the defender open to injury.

Somewhere along the line we’ll have to accept that if Rugby League is going to continue then we’ll have to also accept that unsavoury collisions will happen, on both sides of the ball.
If they won’t or can’t accept that then their efforts to save the game might actually kill it off
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Re: Hull KR - June 23rd : Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:19 pm  
The problem is, they can't accept it because of the law case about head injuries.
The sport is more likely to end if they lose that case because the let head injuries increase.

I was quite happy with the shoulder charge but I get why its now banned.

But ultimately, it's the defenders responsibility to make sure there is no head contact. If you want to try for a big shot in the chest great. If it comes off you are a hero, but you have to be accurate, otherwise you get penalised.
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Re: Hull KR - June 23rd : Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:19 pm  
Is there a prize at the end of this quiz? :D
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Re: Hull KR - June 23rd : Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:51 pm  
The only way for the game to continue long term is for every player to sign a waiver with every contract, accepting the responsibility for any and all injuries sustained by playing the game.

The NGB and the clubs should take every precaution short of creating a different game, they should be responsible for educating players of all ages about the potential for life changing injuries and disorders.

Then, IF players want to play they should sign a waiver
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Re: Hull KR - June 23rd : Sun Jun 25, 2023 7:04 pm  
Just seen the Yaha tackle. Harsh yellow and there really shouldn't be a forthcoming ban
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Re: Hull KR - June 23rd : Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:27 pm  
Haha fined £250 for a grade B High tackle
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Re: Hull KR - June 23rd : Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:29 pm  
Meant to put Yaha, sodding auto corrective
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